Ray,
How do you rebut their presumption that you are a trustee for that name? The
hospital (entity)can't bill you (man/woman) as in commerce they do not see
wo/man.
On Thursday, July 8, 2021, 01:59:13 PM EDT, Ray Greninger
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Commerce is trade between fictions. Law of the sea.
Hospital bill-to whom or what is the statement addressed? It’s always a
fiction. Do you believe you should pay the bills of a fiction? If you are
trustee the answer is yes, but did you agree to be trustee for your own estate?
where did you do that? Yes, you got the service, but they didn’t “ bill” you,
did they? They billed”it.” Why? Because it is your labor that underwrites this
whole system. How could they claim the man from whom all value comes owes
anything? It’s absolutely nuts, kooky, madcap but that’s the system you are
dealing with.
On Jul 8, 2021, at 11:01 AM, Charley Dan <charleydan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I participate in using dollars, promising delivery, posing obligations. The
issue with fiat currency is in that the United States is not the printer but
private bankers. But what does this have to do with paying a hospital bill
On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 10:47 AM Ray Greninger <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
You can’t pay for anything. all you can do is shuffle paper promises to offset
or discharge. FRN is just one way to do that. We can’t NOT participate in this
scheme unless we only trade in specie. Try that on Amazon, you won’t get very
far.
On Jul 8, 2021, at 10:32 AM, Charley Dan <charleydan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
True, so what?
On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 10:26 AM Ray Greninger <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
All commerce is paper. Anything you sign has value. Everything in commerce is a
fiction based on a promise. Any corporation can turn a signature into “money.”
Doesn’t matter if it’s gov or a corporation it’s all the same. Our signature is
what gives the paper value.
On Jul 8, 2021, at 8:38 AM, Charley Dan <charleydan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Taxes is one thing. Hospital bill is another. So explain a bit more on that.
Hospital is a private business. Even if incorporated. You signed into the
hospital. Then what? Because if one can write off a hospital bill. Why not
utility bills? Or groceries? Try to explain further
On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 8:23 AM Ray Greninger <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Charley, everyone is still talking as though “they” don’t owe that tax. WE
don’t owe anyone in gov anything, the debtor does. For whatever reason people
get into trouble because they have somehow put themselves into the position of
surety for the debtor, or they think they have. It looks like they go after the
man because they figure you are the trustee and it’s your job to settle the
account. I don’t know if it matters whether or not you are in their
jurisdiction it’s your estate and you haven’t assigned a trustee so they figure
you are that guy. What I did worked, I think, is because I told the hospital
that the estate did not wish to be surety for their securities. It’s my estate
and they know it. Only I can speak for it. Everything you sign is a security.
I’m guessing here, but, that probably forced them to go to the United States
and press them to cover their obligation. The point is the sovereign doesn’t
owe anything and they know that. They are just looking for the “tax payer” and
they figure they can con you into that role. I don’t think it’s about
jurisdiction over you so much as it’s about jurisdiction over the debtor. For
some reason people have a tough time wrapping their heads around that.
On Jul 8, 2021, at 3:41 AM, Charley Dan <charleydan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I know many who have done that including me. Just stopped paying. Afterall I
was not paying property taxes already. My great uncles saw to that. Very few
get called in on income tax by just not paying. What happens if your one of
the few? Chaulk it up to just the chosen one? What is the back up plan?
For those who use their codes and do not pay? Never seen any success at all
from it. No matter how sensible it was interpreted by the common man. Even the
sound statement; "Show me the law" is left up to a jury of twelve to decide.
Some win, some lose. I've not lost yet.
I'll still stand on the basis I'm not in your jurisdicton and I've got the
proof. As a son of a sovereign who created the constitution and stated I'm not
involved in it. It tells me your United States limitations. Why would I use any
thing created from their forward in time of history? It is just admitting I'm
not a sovereign. I'm part of the system. I'm a United States citizen. No thanks
On Thu, Jul 8, 2021 at 3:04 AM Jb <tf4624@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
And the call ins are where ?
I worry not about any section. I don’t pay any of the voluntary taxes. Point is
folks stop paying it already!
On Jul 8, 2021, at 3:55 AM, brian (Redacted sender "bhaz2" for DMARC)
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Also, you will notice that in that 3rd paragraph, the IRS states that their
legal right to inquire about your taxes falls within Title 26 USC Sections
6001, 6011 and 6012(a), (and NO OTHER Section -emphasis mine!) Study ONLY those
3 sections!
So, if you get ANY letter from a lowly IRS Agent (NOT the Commissioner) and
they mention ANY OTHER IRC Code (Title 26) Section outside of Sections 6001,
6011 or 6012(a), then it is ILLEGAL for them to inquire! Know too, that Title
26 comprises Sections 1-6999.
Title 27 USC (for the IRS) begins at Section 7000 and up, HOWEVER, Title 27 USC
is ONLY for Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms! Sweeeeeeeet, eh!?!
Get in on Cary's Tuesday night call-ins at 7:30pm - 9pm CST, to learn what you
wont ever learn anywhere else!
peace, all!b
On Wednesday, July 7, 2021, 3:18:54 PM HST, Rick Paris
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Thank you for the info everyone!
On Jul 7, 2021, at 3:16 PM, Rick Miller <ricky520057@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I am familiar w/all that. Just thought the guy that asked for the information
was not sure where to look.
On Wed, Jul 7, 2021 at 2:03 PM ejartz <ejartz@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Rick,I think what carries referring to is the 1040 instructions. There's a page
called disclosure, privacy act, and paperwork reduction act notice, and it used
to be on page 100, but the last two years they moved it to 105 and 108. Just by
scanning through the instruction manual between pages 100 and 108. The
statement he usually refers to is in the first column, third paragraph and it's
the first two or three statements. And what a refers to is the IRS has the
legal right to ask for a returner statement and then they go on to mention
something about filing. What you need to do is go to Black's law dictionary and
look up the definition of file. You'll be surprised what it is
On Wed, Jul 7, 2021, 1:24 AM Rick Paris <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Does anyone know what page and paragraph of the 1040, where Cary points out
where he spoke in court about Statements and files, (filing)?
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