[access-uk] Re: audio descriptions
- From: "martin wilsher" <m.wilsher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:18:39 +0100
Yes it is. It also shows, in the projected figures such as ten percent by
09 and two percent per years after that in AD, that AD is the poor relation
to subtitling. I wonder why this is? Blind users being quietly told that
they don't really matter? That it is really too much trouble to AD a
significant amount of programming? I don't know the true answer.
Hope to hear from you soon.
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-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Spring.flower
Sent: 13 August 2008 19:08
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: audio descriptions
There's a heck of a difference isn't there between the two types?
Trace
----- Original Message -----
From: "martin wilsher" <m.wilsher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 5:07 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: audio descriptions
> So this would justify the position that deaf people should pay the full
> licence, whereas blind people should pay the half licence until at least
> half of all ouput is audio described, which will never happen.
>
> Hope to hear from you soon.
>
> From Martin.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of
> Barry Hill
> Sent: 12 August 2008 16:10
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: audio descriptions
>
> This is from teh BBC annual accounts for 2007-2008:
>
> The BBC is committed to making its programmes as accessible as possible to
> all audience groups. In 2007/08 we exceeded all our access targets. See
> charts 5-7.
>
> We subtitled over 46,000 hours of programming - up year-on-year, and on
> target to meet our 100% target by 2008/09. BBC Parliament and BBC HD are
> not
> subject to Ofcom targets, but nonetheless added a further combined 1,388
> hours.
>
> Our target for programming to be audio described increased from 8% to 10%
> this year. This target does not apply to the News Channel due to the
> nature
> of its rolling news output, and does not apply to BBC Parliament, BBCi and
> BBC HD due to audience size.
>
> chart5: Programmes Subtitled, by service, % Chart 5 shows the percentage
> of
> programmes subtitled on BBC television channels. Both BBC One and BBC Two
> subtitled over 97% of output last year - and the other channels subtitled
> over 91%.
> Chart6: Programmes Audio Described, by service, % Chart 6 shows the
> percentage of programmes audio described on BBC television channels. All
> qualifying channels - BBC One, BBC Two, BBC Three, BBC Four, CBBC and
> CBeebies - exceeded the 10% target last year.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Spring.flower" <spring.flower@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 2:50 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: audio descriptions
>
>
> What percentage of progs are subtitled then?
>
> Trace
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "George Bell" <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 9:42 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: audio descriptions
>
>
>> Actually, Derek, you have a very good point here.
>>
>> Blind users get a reduced license, one assumes, for not
>> seeing the picture. Deaf users do not.
>>
>> Deaf users get sub-titles in most programs. Blind users get
>> way far less in terms of audio description.
>>
>> Oh dear - am I walking to a kind of reverse discrimination
>> issue?
>>
>> George.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Derek Hornby
>> Sent: 11 August 2008 17:19
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] audio descriptions
>>
>> Peter wrote
>> "We are not equal, we can't see the pictures."
>>
>> But audio descriptions gives access to visual information.
>>
>> A sighted deaf viewer is not able to hear, so is offered
>> subtitles, but still pays same fee as the hearing/sighted
>> viewers.
>> Sighted deaf have a good fair argument to have 100%
>> subtitles, they can say "We pay, so we should have it"
>> Blind people seem to be saying:
>> "we want audio descriptions, but we are not prepared to
>> pay for it"
>>
>> Fair enough, so why should the rest of the TV viewers
>> subsidise the blind?
>>
>> Regards, Derek
>>
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