[access-uk] Re: Kindle Keyboard v Kindle Fire
- From: "Griffiths, Steve" <Steve.Griffiths@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 07:51:12 +0100
Mark,
Sorry not to have got back sooner. I'm using the Kindle Fire HD, the
original 7" one, with the firmware update that shipped at the start of
April. I can't speak for Kindle support's awareness of the TTS features
within their products. We do try to keep up to date information
regarding accessibility on the www.rnib.org.uk/ebooks area of the RNIB
website, underneath the "Accessibility of eBooks" link.
Steve
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of mark bishop
Sent: 12 April 2013 19:14
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Kindle Keyboard v Kindle Fire
Hi Steve
I am confused. )probably being silly0 Which kindle have you been
tlking about. I have looked at the website at the kindle fire and
cannot find mention of speech, I have also spoken to kindle support and
they tell me that with the kindle fire I will be able to listen to books
but they seemed to be saying that selecting would not be possible and
they seemed pretty definite that the other pps would not be accessible.
Look forward to you helping me.
thanks
Mark Bishop
----- Original Message -----
From: "Griffiths, Steve" <Steve.Griffiths@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 1:16 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Kindle Keyboard v Kindle Fire
> Mark,
>
> You can have move books on and off the device as you see fit. When you
> buy a book from Amazon you can specify one Kindle device to download
> it to as part of the purchase process. You can then either go to a
> list of the books you've bought, choose one and download it to any
> other devices you have, or go to the device and download it from the
> cloud. So if the Fire is your only Kindle device, there's nothing to
> stop you pushing every book you buy onto it straight away.
>
> I would hope to look at the other parts of the Kindle Fire, but I am
> primarily interested in the reading of books so I won't be doing any
> in-depth work on the rest of it any time soon.
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of mark bishop
> Sent: 12 April 2013 12:47
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Kindle Keyboard v Kindle Fire
>
> Hi Steve
> You mention downloading books from the cloud, does that mean the books
> are not actually on the kindle fire? Also given the price I am
> guessing it will only be worth it if you can use other parts of it.
> Hope you will let us
>
> know more.
> Mark Bishop
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Griffiths, Steve" <Steve.Griffiths@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 11:38 AM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Kindle Keyboard v Kindle Fire
>
>
>> I've sent this message twice already but it hasn't got through. Third
>> time lucky!
>>
>> Yes and no. You can get to some information on the Fire, like battery
>> life, which you couldn't on the Keyboard. And there are other apps
> which
>> you might be able to use; I haven't tried them. But in terms of
> reading
>> books, there are less voice options. On the keyboard you had two,
>> with three speeds. On the Fire you have one voice with one speed. It
>> is a better voice, in my opinion, but that's in the ear of the
beholder.
>>
>> Overall, once the features have been turned on for you, you can now
> use
>> a Kindle Fire with speech to start the device, find the Book app,
>> open it, browse the list of books there (and download them from the
>> cloud
> if
>> necessary), then open one and read it.
>>
>> I'd say it's at least as good as the keyboard. I'd be interested in
> what
>> others think. And I'd like to know if you can now go into a
> Waterstones
>> and get a demo of the speech facilities!
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of mark bishop
>> Sent: 11 April 2013 16:54
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Kindle Keyboard v Kindle Fire
>>
>> Hi Steve
>> Are you saying with the update you can now access as much with the
> fire
>> as you can with the keyboard?
>> thanks
>> Mark Bishop
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Griffiths, Steve <mailto:Steve.Griffiths@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:41 AM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Kindle Keyboard v Kindle Fire
>>
>>
>> An update for the Kindle Fire 7" came out recently, and it has good
>> improvements for the TTS capability, bringing it into line with
> the
>> 8.9" unit. They have unlocked the Explore by Touch feature of the
>> underlying Android operating system, which allows a speech user to
>> navigate the main screens and menus, browse the list of books on the
>> device, open one and read it unaided.
>>
>>
>>
>> Note that the speech feature still needs sight turn it on, navigation
>> within books is still frustratingly limited, and there are
> no
>> options at all for the voice - you can't even change the rate. I need
> to
>> do some more playing with it before I update our web page about the
>> Fire. I'll be concentrating on the book reading features, although
> I'll
>> also be interested to see if you can use the email, calendar and
>> other features of the device.
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
>> From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of mark bishop
>> Sent: 10 April 2013 18:35
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Kindle Keyboard v Kindle Fire
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Trevor
>>
>> I have been led to believe that although the books will read the same
>> as on the keyboard, actually selecting the books does not speak.
>> Is this correct? if so then do you have enough vision to use this
> part
>> of the device. I would not have this amount of sight wsowould be
>> reliant solely on speech.
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Mark Bishop
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Trevor Ruane <mailto:trevor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 6:12 PM
>>
>> Subject: [access-uk] Kindle Keyboard v Kindle Fire
>>
>>
>>
>> At the end of February, Steve Griffiths of RNIB kindly set out the
>> differences between the Kindle Keyboard and the Kindle
> Fire.
>> What he said was very useful and has more or less set my course to
>> buy
> a
>> Fire to replace my Keyboard. I have just been very fortunate in
> having
>> a friend loan me a Fire to try, and now I am not so sure about
>> switching. The following might be of interest to some.
>>
>> Fire's TTS is (to my mind) superb. I have experience of TTS only on
>> my old VR Stream and Textaloud MP3 on my PC, but it certainly far
>> surpasses both of them.
>>
>> The facility for white on black for ebooks is terrific.
>> It cuts out the glare that one gets from a pure white background and
>> does not illuminate one's face when reading closely!
>>
>> I was a little disappointed by the maximum text size on the Fire. I
>> measured it at about 8 mm as opposed to the Keyboard's
> 9.5
>> mm for a capital letter in the largest font. Not a lot of
>> difference, but it could be critical for some.
>>
>> I now have to decide whether the advantages of the Fire outweigh the
>> slightly smaller font size. If I take into account the excellent
>> internet browsing facilities on the Fire and the colour
> screen
>> (as well as the above), I think I will probably go for one. However,
> I
>> won't get rid of my Keyboard too quickly!
>>
>> Trevor Ruane
>>
>>
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