Hi Steve,So you are not using the new 8.9 version then? But just to clarify, you can select a book from your list select it and read it using the text to speech, but I think you said you have not used many of the other apps, is this correct? If this is the case is it worth changing from the keyboard? I like the sound of the other versions but if it is no better I might as well stick as I am.
thanks Mark Bishop----- Original Message ----- From: "Griffiths, Steve" <Steve.Griffiths@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 7:51 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Kindle Keyboard v Kindle Fire
Mark, Sorry not to have got back sooner. I'm using the Kindle Fire HD, the original 7" one, with the firmware update that shipped at the start of April. I can't speak for Kindle support's awareness of the TTS features within their products. We do try to keep up to date information regarding accessibility on the www.rnib.org.uk/ebooks area of the RNIB website, underneath the "Accessibility of eBooks" link. Steve -----Original Message----- From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of mark bishop Sent: 12 April 2013 19:14 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Kindle Keyboard v Kindle Fire Hi Steve I am confused. )probably being silly0 Which kindle have you been tlking about. I have looked at the website at the kindle fire and cannot find mention of speech, I have also spoken to kindle support and they tell me that with the kindle fire I will be able to listen to books but they seemed to be saying that selecting would not be possible and they seemed pretty definite that the other pps would not be accessible. Look forward to you helping me. thanks Mark Bishop ----- Original Message ----- From: "Griffiths, Steve" <Steve.Griffiths@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 1:16 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Kindle Keyboard v Kindle FireMark, You can have move books on and off the device as you see fit. When youbuy a book from Amazon you can specify one Kindle device to download it to as part of the purchase process. You can then either go to a list of the books you've bought, choose one and download it to any other devices you have, or go to the device and download it from the cloud. So if the Fire is your only Kindle device, there's nothing to stop you pushing every book you buy onto it straight away. I would hope to look at the other parts of the Kindle Fire, but I am primarily interested in the reading of books so I won't be doing any in-depth work on the rest of it any time soon. Steve -----Original Message----- From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of mark bishop Sent: 12 April 2013 12:47 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Kindle Keyboard v Kindle Fire Hi Steve You mention downloading books from the cloud, does that mean the booksare not actually on the kindle fire? Also given the price I am guessing it will only be worth it if you can use other parts of it. Hope you will let us know more. Mark Bishop ----- Original Message ----- From: "Griffiths, Steve" <Steve.Griffiths@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 11:38 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Kindle Keyboard v Kindle FireI've sent this message twice already but it hasn't got through. Thirdtime lucky! Yes and no. You can get to some information on the Fire, like batterylife, which you couldn't on the Keyboard. And there are other appswhichyou might be able to use; I haven't tried them. But in terms ofreadingbooks, there are less voice options. On the keyboard you had two, with three speeds. On the Fire you have one voice with one speed. It is a better voice, in my opinion, but that's in the ear of thebeholder.Overall, once the features have been turned on for you, you can nowusea Kindle Fire with speech to start the device, find the Book app, open it, browse the list of books there (and download them from the cloudifnecessary), then open one and read it. I'd say it's at least as good as the keyboard. I'd be interested inwhatothers think. And I'd like to know if you can now go into aWaterstonesand get a demo of the speech facilities! Steve -----Original Message----- From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of mark bishop Sent: 11 April 2013 16:54 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Kindle Keyboard v Kindle Fire Hi Steve Are you saying with the update you can now access as much with thefireas you can with the keyboard? thanks Mark Bishop ----- Original Message ----- From: Griffiths, Steve <mailto:Steve.Griffiths@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:41 AM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Kindle Keyboard v Kindle Fire An update for the Kindle Fire 7" came out recently, and it has good improvements for the TTS capability, bringing it into line withthe8.9" unit. They have unlocked the Explore by Touch feature of the underlying Android operating system, which allows a speech user to navigate the main screens and menus, browse the list of books on the device, open one and read it unaided. Note that the speech feature still needs sight turn it on, navigationwithin books is still frustratingly limited, and there arenooptions at all for the voice - you can't even change the rate. I needtodo some more playing with it before I update our web page about the Fire. I'll be concentrating on the book reading features, althoughI'llalso be interested to see if you can use the email, calendar and other features of the device. Steve From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of mark bishop Sent: 10 April 2013 18:35 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Kindle Keyboard v Kindle Fire Hi Trevor I have been led to believe that although the books will read the sameas on the keyboard, actually selecting the books does not speak. Is this correct? if so then do you have enough vision to use thispartof the device. I would not have this amount of sight wsowould be reliant solely on speech. thanks Mark Bishop ----- Original Message ----- From: Trevor Ruane <mailto:trevor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 6:12 PM Subject: [access-uk] Kindle Keyboard v Kindle Fire At the end of February, Steve Griffiths of RNIB kindly set out the differences between the Kindle Keyboard and the KindleFire.What he said was very useful and has more or less set my course to buyaFire to replace my Keyboard. I have just been very fortunate inhavinga friend loan me a Fire to try, and now I am not so sure about switching. The following might be of interest to some. Fire's TTS is (to my mind) superb. I have experience of TTS only on my old VR Stream and Textaloud MP3 on my PC, but it certainly far surpasses both of them. The facility for white on black for ebooks is terrific. It cuts out the glare that one gets from a pure white background and does not illuminate one's face when reading closely! I was a little disappointed by the maximum text size on the Fire. I measured it at about 8 mm as opposed to the Keyboard's9.5mm for a capital letter in the largest font. Not a lot of difference, but it could be critical for some. I now have to decide whether the advantages of the Fire outweigh the slightly smaller font size. If I take into account the excellent internet browsing facilities on the Fire and the colourscreen(as well as the above), I think I will probably go for one. 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