[access-uk] Re: Kindle Keyboard v Kindle Fire
- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 08:49:38 +0100
Hi mark,
Only thing you can do more with the Fire is find out your battery level.
That appears to be all.
All the best
Steve
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-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of mark bishop
Sent: 18 April 2013 18:15
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Kindle Keyboard v Kindle Fire
Hii Steve
I know things are different for different people but what I meant in my
question about worth was that if I already have a kindle keyboard and if by
using the fire I will only be able to perform the same functions, surely it
makes sense to stay put. Obviously if you can do more with the fire then it
is worth a look.
Mark Bishop
----- Original Message -----
From: "Griffiths, Steve" <Steve.Griffiths@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 5:55 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Kindle Keyboard v Kindle Fire
> Mark,
>
> "Correct" to the first two questions. I can't tell you if it's worth
> changing from the keyboard - you'll need to work that out!
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of mark bishop
> Sent: 18 April 2013 11:18
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Kindle Keyboard v Kindle Fire
>
> Hi Steve,
> So you are not using the new 8.9 version then? But just to clarify, you
> can select a book from your list select it and read it using the text to
> speech, but I think you said you have not used many of the other apps,
> is this correct? If this is the case is it worth changing from the
> keyboard? I like the sound of the other versions but if it is no better
> I might as well stick as I am.
> thanks
> Mark Bishop
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Griffiths, Steve" <Steve.Griffiths@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 7:51 AM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Kindle Keyboard v Kindle Fire
>
>
>> Mark,
>>
>> Sorry not to have got back sooner. I'm using the Kindle Fire HD, the
>> original 7" one, with the firmware update that shipped at the start of
>
>> April. I can't speak for Kindle support's awareness of the TTS
>> features within their products. We do try to keep up to date
>> information regarding accessibility on the www.rnib.org.uk/ebooks area
>
>> of the RNIB website, underneath the "Accessibility of eBooks" link.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of mark bishop
>> Sent: 12 April 2013 19:14
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Kindle Keyboard v Kindle Fire
>>
>> Hi Steve
>> I am confused. )probably being silly0 Which kindle have you been
>> tlking about. I have looked at the website at the kindle fire and
>> cannot find mention of speech, I have also spoken to kindle support
>> and they tell me that with the kindle fire I will be able to listen to
>
>> books but they seemed to be saying that selecting would not be
>> possible and they seemed pretty definite that the other pps would not
> be accessible.
>> Look forward to you helping me.
>> thanks
>> Mark Bishop
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Griffiths, Steve" <Steve.Griffiths@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 1:16 PM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Kindle Keyboard v Kindle Fire
>>
>>
>>> Mark,
>>>
>>> You can have move books on and off the device as you see fit. When
>>> you
>>
>>> buy a book from Amazon you can specify one Kindle device to download
>>> it to as part of the purchase process. You can then either go to a
>>> list of the books you've bought, choose one and download it to any
>>> other devices you have, or go to the device and download it from the
>>> cloud. So if the Fire is your only Kindle device, there's nothing to
>>> stop you pushing every book you buy onto it straight away.
>>>
>>> I would hope to look at the other parts of the Kindle Fire, but I am
>>> primarily interested in the reading of books so I won't be doing any
>>> in-depth work on the rest of it any time soon.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of mark bishop
>>> Sent: 12 April 2013 12:47
>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Kindle Keyboard v Kindle Fire
>>>
>>> Hi Steve
>>> You mention downloading books from the cloud, does that mean the
>>> books
>>
>>> are not actually on the kindle fire? Also given the price I am
>>> guessing it will only be worth it if you can use other parts of it.
>>> Hope you will let us
>>>
>>> know more.
>>> Mark Bishop
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Griffiths, Steve" <Steve.Griffiths@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 11:38 AM
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Kindle Keyboard v Kindle Fire
>>>
>>>
>>>> I've sent this message twice already but it hasn't got through.
>>>> Third
>>
>>>> time lucky!
>>>>
>>>> Yes and no. You can get to some information on the Fire, like
>>>> battery
>>
>>>> life, which you couldn't on the Keyboard. And there are other apps
>>> which
>>>> you might be able to use; I haven't tried them. But in terms of
>>> reading
>>>> books, there are less voice options. On the keyboard you had two,
>>>> with three speeds. On the Fire you have one voice with one speed. It
>
>>>> is a better voice, in my opinion, but that's in the ear of the
>> beholder.
>>>>
>>>> Overall, once the features have been turned on for you, you can now
>>> use
>>>> a Kindle Fire with speech to start the device, find the Book app,
>>>> open it, browse the list of books there (and download them from the
>>>> cloud
>>> if
>>>> necessary), then open one and read it.
>>>>
>>>> I'd say it's at least as good as the keyboard. I'd be interested in
>>> what
>>>> others think. And I'd like to know if you can now go into a
>>> Waterstones
>>>> and get a demo of the speech facilities!
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of mark bishop
>>>> Sent: 11 April 2013 16:54
>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Kindle Keyboard v Kindle Fire
>>>>
>>>> Hi Steve
>>>> Are you saying with the update you can now access as much with the
>>> fire
>>>> as you can with the keyboard?
>>>> thanks
>>>> Mark Bishop
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Griffiths, Steve <mailto:Steve.Griffiths@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:41 AM
>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Kindle Keyboard v Kindle Fire
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> An update for the Kindle Fire 7" came out recently, and it has good
>>>> improvements for the TTS capability, bringing it into line with
>>> the
>>>> 8.9" unit. They have unlocked the Explore by Touch feature of the
>>>> underlying Android operating system, which allows a speech user to
>>>> navigate the main screens and menus, browse the list of books on the
>
>>>> device, open one and read it unaided.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Note that the speech feature still needs sight turn it on,
>>>> navigation
>>
>>>> within books is still frustratingly limited, and there are
>>> no
>>>> options at all for the voice - you can't even change the rate. I
>>>> need
>>> to
>>>> do some more playing with it before I update our web page about the
>>>> Fire. I'll be concentrating on the book reading features, although
>>> I'll
>>>> also be interested to see if you can use the email, calendar and
>>>> other features of the device.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of mark bishop
>>>> Sent: 10 April 2013 18:35
>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Kindle Keyboard v Kindle Fire
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Trevor
>>>>
>>>> I have been led to believe that although the books will read the
>>>> same
>>
>>>> as on the keyboard, actually selecting the books does not speak.
>>>> Is this correct? if so then do you have enough vision to use this
>>> part
>>>> of the device. I would not have this amount of sight wsowould be
>>>> reliant solely on speech.
>>>>
>>>> thanks
>>>>
>>>> Mark Bishop
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>> From: Trevor Ruane <mailto:trevor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>
>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 6:12 PM
>>>>
>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Kindle Keyboard v Kindle Fire
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At the end of February, Steve Griffiths of RNIB kindly set out the
>>>> differences between the Kindle Keyboard and the Kindle
>>> Fire.
>>>> What he said was very useful and has more or less set my course to
>>>> buy
>>> a
>>>> Fire to replace my Keyboard. I have just been very fortunate in
>>> having
>>>> a friend loan me a Fire to try, and now I am not so sure about
>>>> switching. The following might be of interest to some.
>>>>
>>>> Fire's TTS is (to my mind) superb. I have experience of TTS only on
>
>>>> my old VR Stream and Textaloud MP3 on my PC, but it certainly far
>>>> surpasses both of them.
>>>>
>>>> The facility for white on black for ebooks is terrific.
>>>> It cuts out the glare that one gets from a pure white background and
>
>>>> does not illuminate one's face when reading closely!
>>>>
>>>> I was a little disappointed by the maximum text size on the Fire. I
>
>>>> measured it at about 8 mm as opposed to the Keyboard's
>>> 9.5
>>>> mm for a capital letter in the largest font. Not a lot of
>>>> difference, but it could be critical for some.
>>>>
>>>> I now have to decide whether the advantages of the Fire outweigh the
>
>>>> slightly smaller font size. If I take into account the excellent
>>>> internet browsing facilities on the Fire and the colour
>>> screen
>>>> (as well as the above), I think I will probably go for one.
>>>> However,
>>> I
>>>> won't get rid of my Keyboard too quickly!
>>>>
>>>> Trevor Ruane
>>>>
>>>>
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