Mark,
"Correct" to the first two questions. I can't tell you if it's worth
changing from the keyboard - you'll need to work that out!
Steve
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Hi Steve,
So you are not using the new 8.9 version then? But just to clarify, you
can select a book from your list select it and read it using the text to
speech, but I think you said you have not used many of the other apps,
is this correct? If this is the case is it worth changing from the
keyboard? I like the sound of the other versions but if it is no better
I might as well stick as I am.
thanks
Mark Bishop
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Sent: Thursday, April 18, 2013 7:51 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Kindle Keyboard v Kindle Fire
Mark,
Sorry not to have got back sooner. I'm using the Kindle Fire HD, the
original 7" one, with the firmware update that shipped at the start of
April. I can't speak for Kindle support's awareness of the TTS
features within their products. We do try to keep up to date
information regarding accessibility on the www.rnib.org.uk/ebooks area
of the RNIB website, underneath the "Accessibility of eBooks" link.
Steve
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Hi Steve
I am confused. )probably being silly0 Which kindle have you been
tlking about. I have looked at the website at the kindle fire and
cannot find mention of speech, I have also spoken to kindle support
and they tell me that with the kindle fire I will be able to listen to
books but they seemed to be saying that selecting would not be
possible and they seemed pretty definite that the other pps would not
be accessible.
Look forward to you helping me.
thanks
Mark Bishop
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Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 1:16 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Kindle Keyboard v Kindle Fire
Mark,
You can have move books on and off the device as you see fit. When
you
buy a book from Amazon you can specify one Kindle device to download
it to as part of the purchase process. You can then either go to a
list of the books you've bought, choose one and download it to any
other devices you have, or go to the device and download it from the
cloud. So if the Fire is your only Kindle device, there's nothing to
stop you pushing every book you buy onto it straight away.
I would hope to look at the other parts of the Kindle Fire, but I am
primarily interested in the reading of books so I won't be doing any
in-depth work on the rest of it any time soon.
Steve
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Hi Steve
You mention downloading books from the cloud, does that mean the
books
are not actually on the kindle fire? Also given the price I am
guessing it will only be worth it if you can use other parts of it.
Hope you will let us
know more.
Mark Bishop
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From: "Griffiths, Steve" <Steve.Griffiths@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 11:38 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Kindle Keyboard v Kindle Fire
I've sent this message twice already but it hasn't got through.
Third
time lucky!
Yes and no. You can get to some information on the Fire, like
battery
life, which you couldn't on the Keyboard. And there are other apps
which
you might be able to use; I haven't tried them. But in terms of
reading
books, there are less voice options. On the keyboard you had two,
with three speeds. On the Fire you have one voice with one speed. It
is a better voice, in my opinion, but that's in the ear of the
beholder.
Overall, once the features have been turned on for you, you can now
use
a Kindle Fire with speech to start the device, find the Book app,
open it, browse the list of books there (and download them from the
cloud
if
necessary), then open one and read it.
I'd say it's at least as good as the keyboard. I'd be interested in
what
others think. And I'd like to know if you can now go into a
Waterstones
and get a demo of the speech facilities!
Steve
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Sent: 11 April 2013 16:54
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Subject: [access-uk] Re: Kindle Keyboard v Kindle Fire
Hi Steve
Are you saying with the update you can now access as much with the
fire
as you can with the keyboard?
thanks
Mark Bishop
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To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2013 9:41 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Kindle Keyboard v Kindle Fire
An update for the Kindle Fire 7" came out recently, and it has good
improvements for the TTS capability, bringing it into line with
the
8.9" unit. They have unlocked the Explore by Touch feature of the
underlying Android operating system, which allows a speech user to
navigate the main screens and menus, browse the list of books on the
device, open one and read it unaided.
Note that the speech feature still needs sight turn it on,
navigation
within books is still frustratingly limited, and there are
no
options at all for the voice - you can't even change the rate. I
need
to
do some more playing with it before I update our web page about the
Fire. I'll be concentrating on the book reading features, although
I'll
also be interested to see if you can use the email, calendar and
other features of the device.
Steve
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Sent: 10 April 2013 18:35
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Subject: [access-uk] Re: Kindle Keyboard v Kindle Fire
Hi Trevor
I have been led to believe that although the books will read the
same
as on the keyboard, actually selecting the books does not speak.
Is this correct? if so then do you have enough vision to use this
part
of the device. I would not have this amount of sight wsowould be
reliant solely on speech.
thanks
Mark Bishop
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From: Trevor Ruane <mailto:trevor@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 6:12 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Kindle Keyboard v Kindle Fire
At the end of February, Steve Griffiths of RNIB kindly set out the
differences between the Kindle Keyboard and the Kindle
Fire.
What he said was very useful and has more or less set my course to
buy
a
Fire to replace my Keyboard. I have just been very fortunate in
having
a friend loan me a Fire to try, and now I am not so sure about
switching. The following might be of interest to some.
Fire's TTS is (to my mind) superb. I have experience of TTS only on
my old VR Stream and Textaloud MP3 on my PC, but it certainly far
surpasses both of them.
The facility for white on black for ebooks is terrific.
It cuts out the glare that one gets from a pure white background and
does not illuminate one's face when reading closely!
I was a little disappointed by the maximum text size on the Fire. I
measured it at about 8 mm as opposed to the Keyboard's
9.5
mm for a capital letter in the largest font. Not a lot of
difference, but it could be critical for some.
I now have to decide whether the advantages of the Fire outweigh the
slightly smaller font size. If I take into account the excellent
internet browsing facilities on the Fire and the colour
screen
(as well as the above), I think I will probably go for one.
However,
I
won't get rid of my Keyboard too quickly!
Trevor Ruane
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