[access-uk] Re: Jaws license annoyance, thinking of swapping to window eyes

  • From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 23:20:55 -0000

Hi Mike,

That frankly is not hard. <Smile>.

The guys on the helpdesk generally are not blind or don't seem to be to me,
and don't use it.

GW on the other hand have plenty of blind techs at support level.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Michael A. Ray
Sent: 09 January 2013 18:22
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Jaws license annoyance, thinking of swapping to
window eyes

Steve,

I don't want to start a war on here but the suggestion that the only 
thing you can do with NVDA is quote: 'write the odd letter' is just 
nonsense.

NVDA also has no copy protection, they trust you to download it a 
squillion times and the price tag is still zero.

As for you get what you pay for...the reason I stopped using Supernova 
is I knew more about it than the guys on their helpdesk.

Mike



On 09/01/2013 17:44, Steve Nutt wrote:
> Hi Mike,
>
> All well and good, but NVDA is not very good for corporate use.  For
> example, I use Sage Line 50 which NVDA won't touch, yet Window-Eyes works
> with it pretty much out of the box.  You get what you pay for for sure.
>
> Sure, NVDA is OK if you want to write the odd letter and stuff, but to get
> it to work with some programs, you have to do some pretty serious
scripting
> as it has no OSM.
>
> So while NVDA is great as is open source, don't run away with the idea
that
> it is a panacea.  I couldn't do without Window-Eyes in my job.
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Michael A. Ray
> Sent: 09 January 2013 17:34
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Jaws license annoyance, thinking of swapping to
> window eyes
>
>
> Terry,
>
> I've been in IT for over twenty years so I've come across the resistance
> to certain things, free things, being installed on corporate platforms,
> but I would guess that most of the IT managers that make such rules are
> also, at the same time using several Open Source tools such as server
> operating systems, web server applications etc.  The take up of Firefox
> also suggests this.
>
> Likely opposition is probably going to be that with a purchased product
> you get guaranteed support.  But in my experience that leaves a lot to
> be desired.
>
> There are lists for support of NVDA and for developers too.  The
> user-base is increasing quickly.
>
> I will never go back to paying for access software for the desktop as
> long as a viable alternative exists.
>
> There is no way that being visually impaired should mean you pay 3 or 4
> times the cost of your PC just to make it possible for you to use it.
>
> And of course there's the endless upgrade treadmill.  I'd equate these
> software vendors with drug dealers who give the first few fixes to
> customers knowing they will get hooked and come back for more at an
> inflated price.
>
> Mike
>
>
> On 09/01/2013 17:12, terry wrote:
>> I do use nvda from time to time and find it reasonably okay, though not
as
>> smooth as jfw.
>>
>> I've used jaws since version 3.2, and have probably spent several
> thousands
>> of pounds over the years.
>>
>> I'd also have to find out if my employer would allow it on their systems.
>>
>> Knowing them as I do, the answer would probably be no.
>>
>> Out of interest though, is there anyone on the list who uses nvda on a
> large
>> network at work?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Terry
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of Michael A. Ray
>> Sent: 09 January 2013 16:52
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Jaws license annoyance, thinking of swapping to
>> window eyes
>>
>> Hello Terry,
>>
>> Why don't you give NVDA a try before you commit to spending another wadge
> of
>> cash?
>>
>> It's easy to download and install and most of the key-bindings are the
> same
>> as those for Jaws.
>>
>> http://www.nvda-project.org/
>>
>> There is a vibrant and lively support forum also.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> On 09/01/2013 16:15, terry wrote:
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> I won't bore you with my rant about having to keep asking for my dam
>>> jaws keys to be re-setby FS, as it's long.
>>>
>>> What I wanted to know, is how window eyes is activated and or
authorised.
>>>
>>> Is it the same annoying method that FS use, or a sensible mainstream
>>> method, i.e. you are provided with a serial number, and can install it
>>> on your own pc as many times as you choose.
>>>
>>> Thanks for any help.
>>>
>>> Terry
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> On Behalf Of roger.south@xxxxxxxxxx
>>> Sent: 09 January 2013 16:02
>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Audible Books
>>>
>>> Hi Andy
>>>
>>> For the moment I'm only using the Scandisk Clip+ for a trial period. I
>>> don't think this device has any more than track ability available. If
>>> I get on well with using extra books I am considering the Victor Reader
>> Stream.
>>>
>>> Roger
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Adrien Collins
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 3:07 PM
>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Audible Books
>>>
>>> Hi Roger
>>>
>>> If you are using a victor stream or perhaps a booksense, you can
>>> rewind by 1 minute or 5 or 10 and even up to 30 on the stream, not
>>> sure about the booksense, how would this work on the plextalk pocket I
>> wonder?
>>>
>>> Adrien
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> On Behalf Of roger.south@xxxxxxxxxx
>>> Sent: 07 January 2013 21:43
>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Audible Books
>>>
>>> Hi All
>>>
>>> I've just joined the Audible UK book library and have just downloaded
>>> my first book. Quite a long one at 32 hours and only in 4 parts. This
>>> means if I need to go back over ground already read I can only do so
>>> by going back to the start of the current track which are around 8
>>> hours long. It would be just great to break these down into smaller
>>> tracks but the file format is .aa which I understand is Audible's
>>> encrypted system which is not breakable by any software available.
>>>
>>> If this is correct does anyone know of a solution to my problem, please.
>>>
>>> Many thanks
>>>
>>> Roger
>>>
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>> --
>> Michael A. Ray
>>
>> Analyst/Programmer
>> Witley, Surrey, South-east UK
>>
>> Ham Radio Callsign: G4XBF, licenced since 1982
>>
>> Use the NVDA screen-reader, not Scientific, just Freedom:
>> http://nvda-project.org/
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