Hi Roger You said: "Some blind people refuse to use the pin machines on whatever grounds they decide" Yes, I just feel that if the person's *only* reason to opt out is they are blind, or partially sighted, such a reason should not be accepted by the banks. I mean given sighted able-bodied can't just opt out, simply because they don't like the system, why then should a blind or partially sighted person be given the right to opt out just because they don't like the system. Regards, Derek e-mail: derek.hornby_uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq