hi all, wonder if the banks have a solution to cover those who buy over the phone? you can't very well use chip and pin over the phone! and i'd say the phone is just as big a security risk as other methods of buying. i've been quite surprised actually with the number of places i've come across who still don't even have C and P as an option, and still require a signature. kevin - (lord l) "Civilization exists by geological consent, subject to change without notice"-Will Durant contact me: email/msn: kream@xxxxxxxxxxxx skype: lordandladyl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dj Paddy" <mygroups@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 1:38 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Chip and pin online banking. The thing is if we have an opt out then we're not as secure as peers who can use the technology. Also if fraud where to occur on a persons account who was eligible to opt out would we be reimbursed? The key is to get the technology working and used by all. If the device, (whatever it may be), can be plugged in when prompted and communicate with the network unattended, I think this would be the better route than opting out. Dj paddy Ôà ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Hornby" <derek.hornby_uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 1:19 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Chip and pin online banking. Hi Martin You said: "natwest are doing the pin machine thing, which is a pest." Yes but isn't it possible that if a customer cannot use the new system simply on grounds of sight problems, the bank may allow an opt out. Remember even now, we are allowed to opt out from chip and PIN in the shops, and use chip and signature. Don't know why there is the opt out on chip and PIN in shops, when in fact sight isn't actually necessary to use chip and PIN in the shops. Regards, Derek e-mail: derek.hornby_uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq __________ NOD32 2276 (20070518) Information __________ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq