[SI-LIST] Re: DDR2 design

Ivor, thank you for being gracious about this.  If you really want to 
know that it is going to work, there is no escaping the homework.  In 
your position, I would still start with what you can get from 
Altera.  If you come up short, then contact us privately for a quote.

Steve.
At 04:55 PM 2/22/2006, Ivor Bowden wrote:
>Hi Steve,
>
>I really do appreciate your comments. I know I have not done my 
>homework, this was just dropped in my lap. I'm just looking for 
>general comments, I don't expect anyone to run free sims for me. 
>Comments like, "seems reasonable" or "no way" or "star routing might 
>be better", etc. is about all I hoped for. I apologize if my request 
>came off rude.
>
>I am open to simulation quotes, I believe it a good idea, if I can 
>get approval.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Ivor
>
>on 2/22/2006 4:34 PM steve weir wrote:
>>Ivor, maybe.  Nothing sounds terribly wrong, but that is really 
>>inadequate.  You need to simulate, or get someone else to simulate 
>>for you.  Then you can see if any adjustments are needed and make 
>>them.  You need to account for what the silicon is up to as well as the trace.
>>With all due respect your question comes off a bit like:  "Guys, I 
>>haven't done my homework, would someone do it for me?"  If someone 
>>is so willing, great.  I would be surprised to see that.  I would 
>>also suspect the answer.
>>If you want detailed free help, your best chance is from your chip 
>>suppliers.  Maybe Altera will run the simulation for you.
>>Steve.
>>At 03:22 PM 2/22/2006, Ivor Bowden wrote:
>>>Hi SI Experts,
>>>
>>>I am reviewing a layout for an embedded DDR2 design using 4 Micron DDR2
>>>chips with an Altera Cyclone controller. The memory is set up to be 64
>>>bits wide, 16 bits per chip.
>>>
>>>The target rate is 167MHz. The design is not simulated.
>>>
>>>Termination is as follows:
>>>ODT may be supported, still investigating.
>>>There is no series term.
>>>There is 0.9V stub term for control lines.
>>>There is a differential 100 ohm term for each clock pair (4 total).
>>>
>>>Routing is as follows:
>>>Control lines are daisy chained and length matched between the first
>>>DRAM and controller (about 1"), each DRAM (about .75") and the last DRAM
>>>and terminators (about .25"); total net length is about 3.5".
>>>Data lines are length matched at about 3" (controller to DRAM).
>>>Clock lines are length matched at about 4" (controller to DRAM).
>>>Trace impedance is targeted at 100 ohms for clock and control lines, and
>>>75 ohms for data lines.
>>>
>>>Is this design likely to work? If not, what changes should be considered?
>>>
>>>I very much appreciate all comments. Thank you!
>>>
>>>Ivor Bowden
>>>Engineer
>>>Curtiss-Wright Controls
>>>
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