IMO the biggest problem with the All breed shows is the ring size. My kennel club hosted an all breed show last year (outdoors) and as the Superintendent was doing ring set up I asked the question why it seemed the GSD's are always in the smallest ring.....the damn toy group has friggin acreage but the shepherds are always in the tiniest ring available. This gentlemen proceeded to tell me he was sick of all the GSD people complaining about ring size all the time and that maybe we should take our bells and whistles stop showing in all breed all together. Needless to say I was speechless and went storming off only to run into this guy a little later who laughed and said he was only kidding.....and then offered to switch the ring numbers around for me. I guess my point is that if more GSD people were members of all breed kennel clubs we might have more influence on things like ring size and judges at the all breed shows. Cindy Falkrigia@xxxxxxx wrote: Don't intend to try and change your mind. I have three champions that received one major in the All Breed ring under an All Breed judge and the second in your large outdoor specialty ring under a true Specialty Judge. One of them finished with a five point major Best of Breed over 4 or 5 Specials. I don't say all All Breed Judges will do the GSD justice but there are some who do a better job than some specialty judges. There is a place for both the All Breed and Specialty shows in the dog world and a little more support from the GSD fancy would insure that the better qualified judges would be judging in both rings. Also it might be fun to talk to some novice people at an All Breed show and eventually they may join and increase our GSDCA membership rolls. Gene Check out our websites for constantly updated info and pictures www.falkrigiashepherds.com www.thecraftywoodchuck.com ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================