Fran, I can understand you being defensive about having a so-called all-breed dog as described by its breeder!....well that very statement made by your breeder just re-inforces what I said and believe...there is a difference between the two...as for criticizing one over the other, well no post that I have ever written has ever stated that opinion..we have one standard, but we show two different types of dogs....and Fran if you remember I was at the 4 day five point major shows in Denver last year...for the most part those dogs were different overall in type and structure and movement than those at a typical large specialty show...I am not knocking all-breed dogs...its not my style....but it is my style to call a spade a spade...we have one standard , we should have one dog!...I am a lot of things, but an elitist is not one of them.....Ed Hill ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================