In a message dated 12/14/05 10:56:54 AM Central Standard Time, Jarvyce@xxxxxxx writes: Did you write this being serious or joking?? Not being nasty, but I had a great laugh over this. Judges are human beings and by that virtue, flawed. Like specialty judges don't look up the lead! Like anyone can just walk into a specialty ring and do well with a good dog? Do you really feel that specialty judges have done anything above and beyond in learning about the breed? Don't you think that as breeders they come with a preconceived idea of what the GSD should be through their interpretation of the standard and the style they themselves bred, owned, or exhibited? Both systems are flawed, but that is due to human nature. As for "one standard", most people breed to the standard. Again you seem to disregard the humanness of the owners and their individual STYLE. That interpretation is what causes the differences in the dogs we see. Then ad to it that the judges award their own interpretation and preference of style and it is a continuous circle. Arvind I am pretty sure he was being serious, and joking at the same time. In theory, I believe he is correct. I would bet money that the majority on this list, deep down, believe as he does. I do believe that Specialty Judges, as a whole, have a much better idea as to the true essence of the Breed. Not all AB Judges are willing, or have the time, to really learn the Breed. As a result, there is no way on earth he/she (in general) will ever know the Breed as a specialist (in general) does. That is not a put down, just the facts, as well as common sense. JMO Randy ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================