Fred...are you saying that in general...the so-called typical all-breed Shepherd...is different than the so called typical specialty Shepherd...and the typical all-breed judge is generally less knowledgeable than the typical specialty judge...well whether you're trying to say that or not.....I agree with it and have said it here many times...I think I said it a day or two ago, but to quote my dear friend Kathaleen Strong..." but what the hell do I know"........years ago when I worked for the Probation department we played in a adult softball league...there was a professional baseball player at the time playing with the Giants named Bill Matlock..I sort of looked and played like him...so my team mates nick-named me after his nick-name..."Mad-Dog"...my son was about two and he came to a few games...they nick-named him "Mad Pup"......hey ...it was a long day in school, so what if I got off the subject, just be happy your brain does not work like mine!...lol...MD..aka FB EKOLAN1@xxxxxxx wrote: You will notice that the breeders and exhibitors who frequent and win in the all breed ring will go to the ends of the earth to prove the all breed judge who put them up or finished their dog has a better eye than Capt. Max even though he or she spent their life breeding and showing Pom.s PS put any other breed in place of Pom.s PPSa couple times in the past when I have needed one or two points to finish I have taken a lotto ticket and entered an all breed. ppps I know I won't change anybody's mind and you can't change mine but it's fun saying it out loud. hehehehe ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================ ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================