[pure-silver] Re: Grain
- From: DarkroomMagic <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: PureSilverNew <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 17:59:59 +0100
I went the service bureau route and it works well and is not expensive.
These machines will be around for a while. Inkjets don¹t work for me; there
are not good enough.
Regards
Ralph W. Lambrecht
http://www.darkroomagic.com
On 2006-01-11 17:37, "Claudio Bonavolta" <claudio@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Ralph,
>
> I too find it pricey, that's why I haven't bought it yet (nor Dan Burkholder's
> book, I must say, as it isn't recent).
> Both look to me as being very related to the equipment available making them
> obsolete pretty quickly.
>
> I've suscribed to the PDN mailing-list which is pretty active (I believed
> digital negatives were marginal, it seems not) and for the few I've seen, Mark
> seems very helpful.
>
> I'm only starting to lurke at this technology as it is one option to print
> digital files. And, for now, I'd prefer not to invest in a high-level inkjet
> printer without being certain it will really work fine with silver gelatin
> papers (B/W but color too ...).
>
> Perhaps, I'll try to find a service bureau with an imagesetter here in Geneva
> for some preliminary tests.
>
> I'm still dreaming of a digital enlarger for the advanced amateur.
> But, I'm afraid it will remain a dream for some time.
>
>
> Best regards,
> Claudio Bonavolta
> http://www.bonavolta.ch
>
> ----- Message d'origine -----
> De: DarkroomMagic <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 16:57:44 +0100
> Sujet: [pure-silver] Re: Grain
> À: PureSilverNew <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
>> Claudio
>>
>> I find the price of $75 a bit hefty for a pdf file. Dan's book is very good
>> and costs a lot less. Also the sample chapter doesn't seem to work. Did you
>> buy it? Comments?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>>
>> Ralph W. Lambrecht
>>
>> http://www.darkroomagic.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2006-01-11 09:57, "Claudio Bonavolta" <claudio@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Tim,
>>>
>>> Could you keep us informed on your future tests ?
>>> I'm pretty interested by the subject too. Unfortunately, without having
>>> enough
>>> energy/time/money to spend on it.
>>>
>>> Aside Dan Burkholder's book, there is also Mark Nelson's e-book
>>> (http://www.precisiondigitalnegatives.com), basically a procedure to
>>> calculate
>>> Photoshop curves to linearize the curve on the output paper (whatever it
>>> is).
>>> He also set up a mailing-list (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PDNPrint/) but
>>> the major activity is on alternative processes where the flaws of inkjet
>>> negatives show less.
>>>
>>> Thanks and best regards,
>>> Claudio Bonavolta
>>> http://www.bonavolta.ch
>>>
>>> ----- Message d'origine -----
>>> De: "Tim Rudman" <tim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 15:38:30 -0000
>>> Sujet: [pure-silver] Re: Grain
>>> À: "'Len Eselson'" <leneselson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Results are only suitable for contact printing Len, not for enlargement.
>>>>
>>>> The best I know of are:
>>>> Pictorico OHP Transparency film
>>>>
>>>> Pictorico Photo Gallery Hi-Gloss White Film - a more expensive white glossy
>>>> film that is much denser (semi-opaque) than OHP film. It holds ink better
>>>> and gives better detail and tonality for the unforgiving nature of glossy
>>>> silver prints. It can be printed through, but at the price of greatly
>>>> extended exposure times.
>>>>
>>>> Permajet Digital Transfer film - a similar transparent coated Clear High
>>>> Gloss Film and less expensive than the Pictorico above, using the same
>>>> ceramic particle technology.
>>>>
>>>> Fotospeed Digital Contact Film is also a clear gloss ceramic technology
>>>> film, slightly thinner - I will be starting tests shortly.
>>>>
>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Len Eselson [mailto:leneselson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>> Sent: 10 January 2006 15:25
>>>> To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; Tim Rudman
>>>> Subject: Re: [pure-silver] Re: Grain
>>>>
>>>> Tim,
>>>> What materials did you use for your negatives made on inkjet printers ?
>>>>
>>>> I tried to make digital masks on inkjet printers for conventional printing,
>>>> and for the materials I tried, found that they had a coating of some sort,
>>>> arranged in an orderly grid, which showed up in the print when it was
>>>> enlarged (MF negs, 16X20 prints)
>>>>
>>>> I tried various materials, and printers. The best being the Epson 2200, and
>>>> Pictorico Transparancy Film but the results were not acceptable.
>>>>
>>>> Have you found a combination which allows enlargement in the range of 8-10
>>>> times ?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Len Eselson
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 10 Jan 2006 08:34:47 -0000, Tim Rudman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have been experimenting a little with digital negatives, intended for
>>>>> silver, but also some examples with platinum.
>>>>> I joined Dan Burkholder on one of his 1 week workshops at the Formulary
>>>>> last year before giving mine there.
>>>>> I have compared image setter icefield negs and those from a number of
>>>>> inkjet printers (UK - 1290, 2100, 1400 - or I believe in the US 1280,
>>>>> 2200 & 2400)and on a variety of 'negative' materials.
>>>>> The results from desktop inkjet printers are getting pretty good for
>>>>> hand coated papers now. Silver gelatine glossy is less forgiving and
>>>>> results are not bad at all and silver gelatine matt. s/matt and
>>>>> textured are good. I imagine that they will continue to improve.
>>>>
>>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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