Bob, Until there was this need to distinguish between traditional photographic techniques (silver, plat., pall., etc.) and digital there was no need to emphasize grain or other artifacts of the various techniques. In fact, we strived for smooth, pure, rich tonal quality with exceptional (or at least predictable) levels of detail, whether in color or b&w. That you have to make your digital images look like less than high quality 'analog' images to be marketable is ironic. (I'm not taking into account the intentional use of grain that many photographic artists have utilized for various effects.) Bob Younger -----Original Message----- From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob Randall Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 7:19 AM To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [pure-silver] Grain I've been a pure silver member for a number of years and one theme that doesn't seem to go away is the constant complaint about grain. Et Disco just referred to it in response to a thread about Fuji Neopan 100 SS. What is it about grain that makes most of you so un-happy. It is probably the only element in silver based photography that keeps images from looking like digital capture. So, it makes me wonder why so many of you try so hard to find a way to eliminate it. In case you're wondering, I love grain. I can't get enough of it. Most of my work flow is commercial and digital. One of the things I work hardest at is making digital files look like they were shot using film. Adding grain that looks realistic is a big part of the process. My clients all respond positively to digital images that are perceived visually to be silver based. I'm genuinely curious about this issue, so please don't misinterpret this email as a challenge on any level. Tell me why grain is so bad. Bob Randall ============================================================ ================================================= To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there. ============================================================================================================= To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.