In my view 99% (OK maybe 98%) of the time, film grain gets in the way of the image. I agree that the random nature of silver grain can be beautiful but I still think it use is limited as an enhancement to an image. The digital equivalent "pixelation" or whatever you want to call it, has a much much smaller utility in enhancing an image. I am sure there are many that would argue that "digital grain" can NEVER enhance an image. I won't go quite that far. I usually get around the grain problem by using large format film 4x5 and 5x7 mostly, but I have used 11x14. Sandor Mathe Bob Randall <bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent by: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 01/09/2006 10:18 AM Please respond to pure-silver To <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> cc Subject [pure-silver] Grain I've been a pure silver member for a number of years and one theme that doesn't seem to go away is the constant complaint about grain. Et Disco just referred to it in response to a thread about Fuji Neopan 100 SS. What is it about grain that makes most of you so un-happy. It is probably the only element in silver based photography that keeps images from looking like digital capture. So, it makes me wonder why so many of you try so hard to find a way to eliminate it. In case you're wondering, I love grain. I can't get enough of it. Most of my work flow is commercial and digital. One of the things I work hardest at is making digital files look like they were shot using film. Adding grain that looks realistic is a big part of the process. My clients all respond positively to digital images that are perceived visually to be silver based. I'm genuinely curious about this issue, so please don't misinterpret this email as a challenge on any level. Tell me why grain is so bad. Bob Randall ============================================================================================================= To unsubscribe from this list, go to www.freelists.org and logon to your account (the same e-mail address and password you set-up when you subscribed,) and unsubscribe from there.