Re: Team Excellence Award Winner

Alright boys and girls,
Looks like my participation is over cause I can here the kids giving the babysitter a tough time upstairs, and I've got to help prepare the kids for our family fiesta Friday dinners. Yes, I know its Thursday, but its a long story. 

thank you all for helping me kill time.

I will now put me out to pasture on this subject matter.

Hope I didn't drive anyone too crazy.

Gotta go.

Matthew
---- Original Message ----- From: "John Greer" <jpgreer17@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: Team Excellence Award Winner
Even a sighted person that is going to college and working has to divide their time between the two. It takes that working person longer to complete college but it doesnt mean that they cant do it because they also have to work. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trouble" <trouble1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: Team Excellence Award Winner


Try using excel. its chart maker will let you do
all that and save to html. maybe not all the
tools are out there, but work arounds and a little self drive works wonders. 


At 01:07 PM 11/29/2007, you wrote:
Yes I also like when the sighted or the blind have complaints, because most of the times I know what I need to change for making the site look better. But the problem is that sometimes the complaints sound like "Oh, but that page is not nice. Please make it to looke nicely. Can't you?", or "That stock chart has the lines too proximate, and I can't see them very clear", or "those 3 charts with volumes and the other 2 indicators should be put in the same image below the main candlestick chart", and so on.
Well, those charts are generated dynamicly, by the program, and by a program that was not made by me, because it would take a very long time just to make that program that generates the graphic, and I need just to change it in order to "look better", but I cannot see the distances between the lines or other things like that, (like a sighted person easily can), and I don't have the time for making studies about how to do that, because this is a very very small part of the job I need to do.
I know that a blind person that stays at home the entire day in front of the computer, has the necessary time and power to study and make tests in order to do this kind of complicated things, but even in that case, they won't be able to do anything without having some sighted help for telling them how the result looks. 



Octavian
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:bgaraventa11@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Bryan Garaventa
To: <mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: Team Excellence Award Winner
That's alright, I haven't actually received any complaints. If I ever do though, it simply indicates an area for improvement. I've always been open about this to my clients, and they appear to appreciate it. 


----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>Octavian Rasnita
To: <mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: Team Excellence Award Winner
You cannot ignore the complaints if the complaints come from the customers, because they might choose to work with one of your competitors.
And most of the times the sighted users don't have any complaints, but just don't like and just don't use a site that they don't like. 

Octavian
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:bgaraventa11@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Bryan Garaventa
To: <mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 10:59 PM
Subject: Re: Team Excellence Award Winner
Hey, I'm rather pleased with the layout of gutterstar.net... I'm pretty sure the layout looks appealing, I know I've put enough work into it for me to believe this anyway... All I have to do is ignore the complaints? 

----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:lists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>Darragh Ó Héiligh
To: <mailto:programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: Team Excellence Award Winner



Quote:
> Please tell us where can we see the web page made by that blind guy, > and 
I
> will tell you if a blind person can do it without sighted help.
> I've seen many messages on this list telling how cool web pages can a
> blind
>
> do, with with no single example.
>
> Octavian
>


take a look at:
<http://www.nickykealy.com>www.nickykealy.com
www.kenoheiligh.ie
also look at a cached version of <http://nvm.ie>nvm.ie and <http://digitaldarragh.com>digitaldarragh.com my own website is down at the moment as I'm restructuring it and the online version was getting in the way.
I'm by no means a designer on par with a sighted person but it can definitly be done. it just takes a bit more determination. 




Tim
trouble
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