Well from this post I see you know nothing about html and how to even write it. Finding out the color is easy with jaws, Just rout jaws to pc and put it on what you want the color from. As far as the rest goes ever try reading the source code of a page? That will tell you is scripts or what ever server sides are doing. you may know some programming, but just because you don't know! Don't mean others don't!
At 04:32 PM 11/28/2007, you wrote:
Oh yes, that's true, and sometimes the screen reader doesn't even show us the correct colors, and even if it show us that 2 words come one after another in the same line, it doesn't tell us that maybe the first is a static word in a iframe element and the other one is a text written dynamicly by a javascript code, and it might scroll slowly up or down becoming very confusing for us at a page refresh.I think we shouldn't fight for beeing what we can't be. Oh yes, there are handicapped people without a leg that participate in different sports, showing that they can do more, but we all know that they will never be equal to a healthy person, no matter how good or bad he is.And let's not forget that the productivity of the work is also important. What we can do would have a very low value if we would be able to do it in a much longer period than a sighted designer.Octavian ----- Original Message ----- From: "inthaneelf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 10:35 PM Subject: Re: Team Excellence Award Winnerwhich except for rare occasions is not practical Marlon, since we live in a sighted world, and the majority of folks that we are going to need to deal with are sighted, I'm sorry that you have no experience in the visual view of things, this is one area where I have an advantage.but... you can't avoid the visual world, it's out there, it's the majority, and so you might as well learn the tricks for dealing with it, use the standards and templates when and where you can, and do your best to adapt.the best description for trying to convey sight to a person that has never had it, was spoken by a blind dude that never had sight in his life,its the description I use now a days, since I have found myself often trying to describe visual aspects to those who have never had site.one thing you should do if you haven't, go to a web site, keep yourself at the top of the page, and turn on the invisible cursor and go up and down the page to see what it actually looks like, such as, the that that instead of the vertical column that jaws presents us with, that its actually more like a message written in Braille, including the navigation links which run from left to right across the page, not in the vertical column that is presented to us.take care, and good luck, inthane. For Blind Programming assistance, Information, Useful Programs, and Links to Jamal Mazrui's Text tutorial packages and Applications, visit me at:http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com. to be able to view a simple programming project in several programming languages, visit the Fruit basket demo site at:http://fruitbasketdemo.alacorncomputer.com----- Original Message ----- From: "Marlon Brandão de Sousa" <splyt.lists@xxxxxxxxx>To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:01 AM Subject: Re: Team Excellence Award WinnerHello folks, Well I have never seen ... so I have no a ... let's call it ... visual standards so, although I can technically do it very well ... I can not plan, like imagine, build ... a nice visual interface, because I don't know what it is expected. A quick example is I beleaved gfirmly that the windows explorer put the folder treeview in the top and the listview below it, and I couldn't beleave when a guy tould me naturally that the treeview was in the left and the listview was in the right!!!! Similarly, because of the top down aproach most part of screen readers use to present web content, I have dificulties to imagine hwat exactly sighted people expect to see in a webpage or something like this. I can plan the components of the interface, but deciding * and putting * them in the more "apropriate" place or planning what would happen if one changes their screen resolution or diicovering by teory how browsers would react to it without testing is something very different. If I had been sighted (and lost my sight after the modern look and feel's I perhaps would be totally able to build interfaces based on the standards of what should be common to folks, but the only thing I can do for now is build an interface based on someone's specifications. And even then I will spend eforts trying to build something which belongs to a group of situations that I can't imagine very well ... and, again, I wouldn't be able to test my own work, which seen something pretty nasty to any [programmer I know of ... now the point is: For sure many blind folks can do gui's, but they will feel more confortable and be more productive if they're doing something which has not a visual result as its goal ... which should be perfectly logical. Thanks Marlon 2007/11/28, jaffar <jaffar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:Hi Jim. Excellent news. Congrats Jeff. Just shows what, if you all will forgive the pun, application will do for one, not to mention hard work and determination, and the willingness to try. Cheers! ----- Original Message ----- From: <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 9:42 PM Subject: Team Excellence Award Winner > > Hi All,> Where I consult, one of our fellow listers was on a team who won a > very > prestigious award. The team developed a highly visible web > application. > Jeff Fidler designed and coded the GUI interface for the site using > HTML, > CSS and Javascript. He used Section 508 and W3C techniques and the > sighted> people in the company rave about it. >> I write this to urge anyone who thinks that someone who is blind > cannot> design Web interfaces well to keep on trying. You can do it. > > Jim > > James D Homme, , Usability Engineering, Highmark Inc., > james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx, 412-544-1810 >> "Never doubt that a thoughtful group of committed citizens can change > the> world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." -- Margaret Mead > > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind-- When you say "I wrote a program that crashed Windows," people just stare at you blankly and say "Hey, I got those with the system, for free." Linus Torvalds __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind__________View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind__________View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind
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