CSS doesn't help you to see what's in a picture, what colors it uses, or how to align a form in an image with the surrounding text, or with another image.
You talked about talent of others versus the miss of talent of others. Shame! When you do that, you should tell us the address of that web page that shown the "talent", and not try to tell us that a blind person can do what a sighted cannot do, because he could have talent.
A musician that became deaf, can compose a melody if he heard before and if the knows very well how the instruments sound, but I don't think that musician could compose the same for some instruments that he never heard how they sound. In the world of design, everything's new for every page. Nothing's the same. The colors, the images, the text, the layout of the pages, the style that should be shown, so each combination is a new one.
(I don't consider "design made by a dlind" the copying and pasting the html and css elements in a text editor after they were made by others, or after their layout was verified by other sighted users).
And after so many discussions after this, I still can't see a single web page made by a "talented" blind web designer.
Octavian----- Original Message ----- From: <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 7:59 PM Subject: Re: Team Excellence Award Winner
Hi, None of this stuff was done in a vacuum. There were specifications that guided Jeff as he built the interface. I may be wrong, but I think sometimes people build software for others to use. It may also be that some people are talented at things other people are not. That may possibly mean that there could possibly be sighted programmers who are not good designers of GUI's. It may also be that somepeople who are blind may be able to imagine a layout well enough to be ableto build one. Laying out web GUI's is nothing more than a matter of simple math using whole numbers and percentages. If you have a good understanding of how the CSS box model works, Web is one of the places where you have a good chance to succeed because it uses pure text rather than mouse movements. I'll make sure I open my mind in another forum. Each of us lives in everyone else's world. Thanks. Jim James D Homme, , Usability Engineering, Highmark Inc., james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx, 412-544-1810 "Never doubt that a thoughtful group of committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." -- Margaret Mead "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxx To om> programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent by: cc programmingblind- bounce@freelists. Subject org Re: Team Excellence Award Winner 11/28/2007 10:57 AM Please respond to programmingblind@ freelists.org In my country there is a very well known yearly contest named Internetics. Well, most of the sites that get awards in that contest, are horrible from the point of view of the blind. So a contest only doesn't mean anything. Please tell us where can we see the web page made by that blind guy, and I will tell you if a blind person can do it without sighted help.I've seen many messages on this list telling how cool web pages can a blinddo, with with no single example. Octavian ----- Original Message ----- From: <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 3:42 PM Subject: Team Excellence Award WinnerHi All, Where I consult, one of our fellow listers was on a team who won a very prestigious award. The team developed a highly visible web application. Jeff Fidler designed and coded the GUI interface for the site using HTML, CSS and Javascript. He used Section 508 and W3C techniques and thesightedpeople in the company rave about it. I write this to urge anyone who thinks that someone who is blind cannot design Web interfaces well to keep on trying. You can do it. Jim James D Homme, , Usability Engineering, Highmark Inc., james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx, 412-544-1810 "Never doubt that a thoughtful group of committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." -- Margaret Mead __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind__________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind
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