Re: Shell Scripting Info

Tossing useless facts around huh? Hi pot, I'm kettle. Yes, I enabled virtualization and installed vmware tools. I was using vmware player, 64-bit windows seven. I eagerly await your enlightenment on what I am doing wrong, O virtualization master.

On 5/16/2011 2:41 PM, Sina Bahram wrote:

You keep referring to this, even in a blog post in which you have many factual errors, and you give absolutely no background on your setup.

4gb of ram is hardly a statement of any usefulness.

Is this a 32 or 64 bit processor?

What processor, specifically?

Is this a 32 or 64 bit OS?

What OS specifically?

What virtualization solution were you using?

What version of this solution?

If using VMPlayer, did you install VMTools after installing Vinux inside of VMPlayer?

Did you enable all virtualization related technologies in your BIOS?

Etc.

Take care,

Sina

*From:*programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Littlefield, Tyler
*Sent:* Monday, May 16, 2011 4:36 PM
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*Subject:* Re: Shell Scripting Info

>Speaking of blatant instances of not knowing what one is talking about, one really should not throw stones if one lives in a glass house. O how you make me laugh. Vinux and orca itself works ok (though with a minor bit of lag on 2 gb of ram), on a normal system. It runs a lot slower on a vmware setup, mainly because of the fact that it's orca+gnome; CLI works just fine though. I have tried a virtual Vinux on two different computers and still got this issue. I had to allocate 2gb for it (I've only got 4), and it worked, but it was slow. 3gb made it work a bit better, but at that point I am only giving windows 1gb of memory, which could be a possible problem too.
On 5/16/2011 1:31 PM, Sina Bahram wrote:

Speaking of blatant instances of not knowing what one is talking about, one really should not throw stones if one lives in a glass house.

GUI instances work just fine on virtual instances, since the exact same technologies that allow cli instances to be sped up, do the same for GUI ones. There are multiple approaches which the internet has detailed in glorious detail for anyone interested. Namely, there is the paravirtualized approach, this is what Xen refers to as PV guests, or the fully virtualized approach, this is what Xen refers to has HVM guests. Obviously there are other solutions such as KVM, which really live in the paravirtualized side of the house, that perform similar functions.

In addition, there are other technologies such as quickpathing, pronounced quickpathhing, that allow you to get decent graphics performance out of virtual instances sufficient to play 3D games, so I’m pretty damn sure they can facilitate a desktop windowing environment, regardless of how fancy it may be.

One last thing. None of this matters if it’s remotely accessed, since all on-card rendering is done client side, if the server is being remotely accessed via VNC, X11 forwarding, or NX protocols.

Now, to address Katherine’s setup:

Katherine, I’d recommend that you install VMTools, essentially turning it into a paravirtualized instance, and you’ll be just fine running it in VMPlayer. VMPlayer started out as what’s called a binary rewriter, or binary translation, but now is essentially a system virtualization solution, which means that it can take full advantage of a lot of the features on your Intel or AMD processor on that laptop of yours. You might need to enable a few things in the BIOS to make it even faster, and I’ll be happy to help you with that if you’d like.

Take care,

Sina

*From:* programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Littlefield, Tyler
*Sent:* Monday, May 16, 2011 2:56 PM
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*Subject:* Re: Shell Scripting Info

If you're using cli, these friends don't know what they're talking about--virtual instances are just fine. Hell, there are enterprize level sites ran out of the cloud, which is *gasp* virtual. My servers are virtual instances on big boxes with tons and tons of ram, and they run perfectly. Now, if you want a GUI... At least for Vinux, virtual does "blow," because it's slow, laggy and painfully slow.
On 5/16/2011 12:44 PM, Katherine Moss wrote:

Speaking of virtual, and sorry to get off topic, but I’m curious. I plan to run a virtual instance of Open Suse from Novell on my laptop using VMware player starting this summer. I want to get acquainted with the Unix environment just for the heck of it, but two of my friends say that virtual instances of any Linux distro don’t work very well and that they “blow”. What do you have to say about that? Do you agree or disagree? I ask because I want this to be a cool experience rather than a waste of my time. Thanks.

*From:* programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Homme, James
*Sent:* Monday, May 16, 2011 2:36 PM
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*Subject:* RE: Shell Scripting Info

Hi Storm,

Very cool. What does someone need to take the class? I have Vinux Virtual on my machine at home.

Jim

*From:* programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Storm Dragon
*Sent:* Monday, May 16, 2011 1:28 PM
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*Subject:* Re: Shell Scripting Info

Hi,
It looks good. The only thing is, although you mension the Vinux Project you do not make it a link. It should link to:
http://www.vinuxproject.org/
Also, if you would like another bash resource I have been teaching a class in a new Vinux experiment called Vinux Classes. It's an irc chat room set up specifically for teaching Vinux related classes. All the classes are logged and are located at:
http://classroom.vinuxproject.org/
Thanks
Storm

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On Mon, 2011-05-16 at 07:42 -0400, Homme, James wrote:

Hi,

I took the liberty to add the information Don provided about Bash scripting to http://www.nonvisualdevelopment.org./content/what-programming-languages-are-most-useful-linux. Would someone please check this page for accuracy?



Thanks.



Jim



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idiot-proof programs, while the Universe is trying to create bigger and better
idiots.  So far the Universe is winning.”
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skype: st8amnd127
“Programmers are in a race with the Universe to create bigger and better 
idiot-proof programs, while the Universe is trying to create bigger and better
idiots.  So far the Universe is winning.”
“If Java had true garbage collection, most programs would delete themselves upon 
execution.”

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