Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at CSUN
- From: Jamal Mazrui <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 16:58:17 -0500 (EST)
So far, I'm not aware of anyone broadcasting the event. I would welcome
someone who could arrange that. All presenters have agreed that the
event may be publicized, recorded, or broadcast in any way. Web casting
is not a service that the conference provides, so any such arrangements
would have to be made with outside resources.
Jamal
On Sun, 9 Mar 2008,
Matthew2007 wrote:
> Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 14:49:58 -0700
> From: Matthew2007 <matthew2007@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at CSUN
>
> Jamal,
>
> Will this presentation be made available live as its happening? --sounds
> like it might be worth scheduling my life around it.
>
> Matthew
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 2:42 PM
> Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at CSUN
>
>
> > Each presenter can choose the application that works best on his
> > platform. According to multiple reports, Mac and Gnome have become
> > competitive, not in the number of accessible applications, but if one or
> > two choices are made for each application type. We hope to learn more
> > about whether claims match reality at CSUN ....
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jamal
> > On Sun, 9 Mar 2008, Sean
> > Murphy wrote:
> >
> >> Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2008 16:31:51 +1100
> >> From: Sean Murphy <smurf_bp@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Reply-To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at CSUN
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> the problem with that you don't have consistency across platforms with
> >> applications being used.
> >>
> >> I can tell you all now, windows has far better accessibility support than
> >> any other OS platform on a larger range of applications. MAC and Linux
> >> are
> >> improving greatly, but there is a long way to go.
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Sean Murphy
> >> Skype: smurf20005
> >>
> >> Life is a challenge, treat it that way.
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 9:45 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at CSUN
> >>
> >>
> >> >I think that a good comparison shouldn't take into account only the
> >> >programs considered part of the OS. What should that thing prove?
> >> >Nothing.
> >> >Who's using only the programs bundled with the OS?
> >> >
> >> > A good comparison should compare everything. Windows + Jaws + all the
> >> > programs that can be used under Windows, Linux with Orca and all the
> >> > programs that can be used under Linux, and so on.
> >> >
> >> > This way would be much simple to let each competitor use whatever he or
> >> > she likes under the prefered OS, and show if it can do some task easier
> >> > than other competitors under other systems.
> >> >
> >> > Octavian
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 9:41 AM
> >> > Subject: RE: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at
> >> > CSUN
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Narrator is not a screen reader so again that is not a true test.
> >> >>
> >> >> Ken
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Greer
> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 10:16 PM
> >> >> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at
> >> >> CSUN
> >> >>
> >> >> Agreed, it is not too hard to figure out that Jaws is still top dog in
> >> >> the
> >> >> screen reader market all be it debatable. That is why I feel it
> >> >> should
> >> >> be
> >> >> orca vs narrator vs voice over. Orca is in fact part of the OS if you
> >> >> use
> >> >> the Gnome desktop with Ubuntu or Fedora etc.
> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 11:57 PM
> >> >> Subject: RE: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at
> >> >> CSUN
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Then for Linux you could not use Orca because it is not part of the
> >> >>> OS
> >> >>> only Mac would win that contest. We need to do this kind of thing
> >> >>> seriously.
> >> >>> I
> >> >>> would say don't use Jaws use System Access it is free if you use the
> >> >>> online version Thus you could say Mac is free voice over, Linux is
> >> >>> free Orca and Vista free as well.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Ken
> >> >>>
> >> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John
> >> >>> Greer
> >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 9:14 PM
> >> >>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >>> Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at
> >> >>> CSUN
> >> >>>
> >> >>> In fact, to make it even more fair, don't use Jaws at all and Just
> >> >>> use
> >> >>> Narrator. Either XP's Narrator or Vista. Betcha we would see a
> >> >>> productivity difference then huh?
> >> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>> From: "John Greer" <jpgreer17@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 10:05 PM
> >> >>> Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at
> >> >>> CSUN
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> Well the point is dueling operating systems right? That means that
> >> >>>> one operating system has to win over all right? Or is it instead,
> >> >>>> how fast a bunch of people on Macs can burn a CD, How fast a bunch
> >> >>>> of Windows users can open a website? If that is so, I personally
> >> >>>> would rather know how each of the operating systems stack up against
> >> >>>> each other from a productivity stand point.
> >> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>>> From: "Chris Meredith" <tallin32@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 9:32 PM
> >> >>>> Subject: RE: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at
> >> >>>> CSUN
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> Wouldn't that only be effective if the system specs were similar?
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >> >>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John
> >> >>>>> Greer
> >> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 6:24 PM
> >> >>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >>>>> Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems
> >> >>>>> at
> >> >>>>> CSUN
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Quickest boot times from first press of the on button to screen
> >> >>>>> reader start.
> >> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >>>>> From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 4:37 PM
> >> >>>>> Subject: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at
> >> >>>>> CSUN
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>>I am moderating an event called Dueling Operating Systems at the
> >> >>>>>>CSUN conference next week. Three users of an operating system and
> >> >>>>>>screen reader combination will compete for a couple hours:
> >> >>>>>>Windows
> >> >>>>>>with JAWS, the Mac with VoiceOver, and Gnome/Unix with Orca.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> We agreed to develop a long list of possible tasks that would each
> >> >>>>>> take from about 3 to 5 minutes using software that comes with the
> >> >>>>>> operating system, except for JAWS and Microsoft Office. Either I
> >> >>>>>> or others I enlist would pick a selection of tasks from the list
> >> >>>>>> at
> >> >>>>>> the actual event.
> >> >>>>>> Each task should be described in a general enough way so that
> >> >>>>>> someone can choose the application and screen reader techniques
> >> >>>>>> that achieve the same result.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> If anyone has suggestions about possible tasks to include on the
> >> >>>>>> list, I welcome such input.
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Jamal
> >> >>>>>>
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