RE: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at CSUN

  • From: "Chris Hofstader" <chris.hofstader@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 08:43:43 -0500

Price is only a valuable criteria if the AT serves the user with the
features he needs.  Absolutely free hardware, software and electricity in
English only is of no value to one who only Speaks Tagalog.

-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of James Panes
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 8:28 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at CSUN

I think that an important part of the performance measure should be the 
final cost of the configuration used for each system. This will help to put 
Windows and Mac OS on a more equal footing. I honestly believe, however, 
that UNIX will wipe the floor with both of them if this is made one of the 
criteria.

Regards,
Jim
jimpanes@xxxxxxxxx
jimpanes@xxxxxxxxxxxx
"Everything is easy when you know how."

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 5:45 AM
Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at CSUN


I think that a good comparison shouldn't take into account only the programs
considered part of the OS. What should that thing prove? Nothing. Who's
using only the programs bundled with the OS?

A good comparison should compare everything. Windows + Jaws + all the
programs that can be used under Windows, Linux with Orca and all the
programs that can be used under Linux, and so on.

This way would be much simple to let each competitor use whatever he or she
likes under the prefered OS, and show if it can do some task easier than
other competitors under other systems.

Octavian

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 9:41 AM
Subject: RE: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at CSUN


>
>
> Narrator is not a screen reader so again that is not a true test.
>
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Greer
> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 10:16 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at CSUN
>
> Agreed, it is not too hard to figure out that Jaws is still top dog in the
> screen reader market all be it debatable.  That is why I feel it should be
> orca vs narrator vs voice over.  Orca is in fact part of the OS if you use
> the Gnome desktop with Ubuntu or Fedora etc.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 11:57 PM
> Subject: RE: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at CSUN
>
>
>>
>>
>> Then for Linux you could not use Orca because it is not part of the OS
>> only Mac would win that contest.  We need to do this kind of thing
>> seriously.
>> I
>> would say don't use Jaws use System Access it is free if you use the
>> online version Thus you could say Mac is free voice over, Linux is
>> free Orca and Vista free as well.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Greer
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 9:14 PM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at
>> CSUN
>>
>> In fact, to make it even more fair, don't use Jaws at all and Just use
>> Narrator.  Either XP's Narrator or Vista.  Betcha we would see a
>> productivity difference then huh?
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "John Greer" <jpgreer17@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 10:05 PM
>> Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at
>> CSUN
>>
>>
>>> Well the point is dueling operating systems right?  That means that
>>> one operating system has to win over all right?  Or is it instead,
>>> how fast a bunch of people on Macs can burn a CD,  How fast a bunch
>>> of Windows users can open a website?  If that is so, I personally
>>> would rather know how each of the operating systems stack up against
>>> each other from a productivity stand point.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Chris Meredith" <tallin32@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 9:32 PM
>>> Subject: RE: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at
>>> CSUN
>>>
>>>
>>>> Wouldn't that only be effective if the system specs were similar?
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John
>>>> Greer
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 6:24 PM
>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at
>>>> CSUN
>>>>
>>>> Quickest boot times from first press of the on button to screen
>>>> reader start.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 4:37 PM
>>>> Subject: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at
>>>> CSUN
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I am moderating an event called Dueling Operating Systems at the
>>>>>CSUN conference next week.  Three users of an operating system and
>>>>>screen reader  combination will compete for a couple hours:  Windows
>>>>>with JAWS, the  Mac with VoiceOver, and Gnome/Unix with Orca.
>>>>>
>>>>> We agreed to develop a long list of possible tasks that would each
>>>>> take from about 3 to 5 minutes using software that comes with the
>>>>> operating system, except for JAWS and Microsoft Office.  Either I
>>>>> or others I enlist would pick a selection of tasks from the list at
>>>>> the actual event.
>>>>> Each task should be described in a general enough way so that
>>>>> someone can choose the application and screen reader techniques
>>>>> that achieve the same result.
>>>>>
>>>>> If anyone has suggestions about possible tasks to include on the
>>>>> list, I welcome such input.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jamal
>>>>>
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