I would tend to agree. I think, as unfair as it may seem to some, in realistic day-to-day use, can I get / send my email? -yes or no. Can I interact with my colleagues in a timely fashion? -yes or no. Can I browse the web / interact with it etc? yes or no. -Read / create a document? yes or no. -and so on. I think it should be about simple aspects of productivity with a range from home users to corporate. I.E. pick a few tasks simple tasks that would demo these areas of use that show a very common use of a computer perhaps in a home situation, school situation and job situation.
A home use might simply be reading / sending email along with reading a website. A school use might be showing how one might search for / look up some material from the web and format a page with a simple layout as in writing a paper on that info. A corporate situation might involve accessing a calendar and spread sheet.
I think this could both be entertaining as well as show in a simple up front way, some basic common usability of each bit of access tech.
Anyway, just my thoughts and have a terrific day!… Smiles, Cara :) On Mar 6, 2008, at 2:45 AM, Octavian Rasnita wrote:
I think that a good comparison shouldn't take into account only the programs considered part of the OS. What should that thing prove? Nothing. Who's using only the programs bundled with the OS?A good comparison should compare everything. Windows + Jaws + all the programs that can be used under Windows, Linux with Orca and all the programs that can be used under Linux, and so on.This way would be much simple to let each competitor use whatever he or she likes under the prefered OS, and show if it can do some task easier than other competitors under other systems.Octavian----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 9:41 AMSubject: RE: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at CSUNNarrator is not a screen reader so again that is not a true test. Ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John GreerSent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 10:16 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at CSUNAgreed, it is not too hard to figure out that Jaws is still top dog in the screen reader market all be it debatable. That is why I feel it should be orca vs narrator vs voice over. Orca is in fact part of the OS if you usethe Gnome desktop with Ubuntu or Fedora etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 11:57 PMSubject: RE: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at CSUNThen for Linux you could not use Orca because it is not part of the OSonly Mac would win that contest. We need to do this kind of thing seriously. I would say don't use Jaws use System Access it is free if you use the online version Thus you could say Mac is free voice over, Linux is free Orca and Vista free as well. Ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John GreerSent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 9:14 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at CSUNIn fact, to make it even more fair, don't use Jaws at all and Just useNarrator. Either XP's Narrator or Vista. Betcha we would see a productivity difference then huh? ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Greer" <jpgreer17@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 10:05 PM Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at CSUNWell the point is dueling operating systems right? That means that one operating system has to win over all right? Or is it instead, how fast a bunch of people on Macs can burn a CD, How fast a bunch of Windows users can open a website? If that is so, I personallywould rather know how each of the operating systems stack up againsteach other from a productivity stand point. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Meredith" <tallin32@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 9:32 PMSubject: RE: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems atCSUNWouldn't that only be effective if the system specs were similar? -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Greer Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 6:24 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems atCSUN Quickest boot times from first press of the on button to screen reader start. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 4:37 PM Subject: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at CSUNI am moderating an event called Dueling Operating Systems at theCSUN conference next week. Three users of an operating system and screen reader combination will compete for a couple hours: Windowswith JAWS, the Mac with VoiceOver, and Gnome/Unix with Orca.We agreed to develop a long list of possible tasks that would eachtake from about 3 to 5 minutes using software that comes with the operating system, except for JAWS and Microsoft Office. Either Ior others I enlist would pick a selection of tasks from the list atthe actual event. Each task should be described in a general enough way so that someone can choose the application and screen reader techniques that achieve the same result. If anyone has suggestions about possible tasks to include on the list, I welcome such input. 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