RE: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at CSUN

  • From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 06:14:46 -0800


I will repeat even Microsoft says its not a "screen reader"  Its not made to
be an all encompassing screen reader so it would not be a fair comparison.

Ken 

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From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Greer
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 12:53 AM
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Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at CSUN

It is the screen reader that is installed with windows
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 1:41 AM
Subject: RE: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at CSUN


>
>
> Narrator is not a screen reader so again that is not a true test.
>
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Greer
> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 10:16 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at CSUN
>
> Agreed, it is not too hard to figure out that Jaws is still top dog in the
> screen reader market all be it debatable.  That is why I feel it should be
> orca vs narrator vs voice over.  Orca is in fact part of the OS if you use
> the Gnome desktop with Ubuntu or Fedora etc.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 11:57 PM
> Subject: RE: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at CSUN
>
>
>>
>>
>> Then for Linux you could not use Orca because it is not part of the OS
>> only Mac would win that contest.  We need to do this kind of thing
>> seriously.
>> I
>> would say don't use Jaws use System Access it is free if you use the
>> online version Thus you could say Mac is free voice over, Linux is
>> free Orca and Vista free as well.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Greer
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 9:14 PM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at
>> CSUN
>>
>> In fact, to make it even more fair, don't use Jaws at all and Just use
>> Narrator.  Either XP's Narrator or Vista.  Betcha we would see a
>> productivity difference then huh?
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "John Greer" <jpgreer17@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 10:05 PM
>> Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at
>> CSUN
>>
>>
>>> Well the point is dueling operating systems right?  That means that
>>> one operating system has to win over all right?  Or is it instead,
>>> how fast a bunch of people on Macs can burn a CD,  How fast a bunch
>>> of Windows users can open a website?  If that is so, I personally
>>> would rather know how each of the operating systems stack up against
>>> each other from a productivity stand point.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Chris Meredith" <tallin32@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 9:32 PM
>>> Subject: RE: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at
>>> CSUN
>>>
>>>
>>>> Wouldn't that only be effective if the system specs were similar?
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John
>>>> Greer
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 6:24 PM
>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at
>>>> CSUN
>>>>
>>>> Quickest boot times from first press of the on button to screen
>>>> reader start.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 4:37 PM
>>>> Subject: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at
>>>> CSUN
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I am moderating an event called Dueling Operating Systems at the
>>>>>CSUN conference next week.  Three users of an operating system and
>>>>>screen reader  combination will compete for a couple hours:  Windows
>>>>>with JAWS, the  Mac with VoiceOver, and Gnome/Unix with Orca.
>>>>>
>>>>> We agreed to develop a long list of possible tasks that would each
>>>>> take from about 3 to 5 minutes using software that comes with the
>>>>> operating system, except for JAWS and Microsoft Office.  Either I
>>>>> or others I enlist would pick a selection of tasks from the list at
>>>>> the actual event.
>>>>> Each task should be described in a general enough way so that
>>>>> someone can choose the application and screen reader techniques
>>>>> that achieve the same result.
>>>>>
>>>>> If anyone has suggestions about possible tasks to include on the
>>>>> list, I welcome such input.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jamal
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