I will repeat even Microsoft says its not a "screen reader" Its not made to be an all encompassing screen reader so it would not be a fair comparison. Ken -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Greer Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 12:53 AM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at CSUN It is the screen reader that is installed with windows ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 1:41 AM Subject: RE: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at CSUN > > > Narrator is not a screen reader so again that is not a true test. > > Ken > > -----Original Message----- > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Greer > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 10:16 PM > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at CSUN > > Agreed, it is not too hard to figure out that Jaws is still top dog in the > screen reader market all be it debatable. That is why I feel it should be > orca vs narrator vs voice over. Orca is in fact part of the OS if you use > the Gnome desktop with Ubuntu or Fedora etc. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ken Perry" <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 11:57 PM > Subject: RE: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at CSUN > > >> >> >> Then for Linux you could not use Orca because it is not part of the OS >> only Mac would win that contest. We need to do this kind of thing >> seriously. >> I >> would say don't use Jaws use System Access it is free if you use the >> online version Thus you could say Mac is free voice over, Linux is >> free Orca and Vista free as well. >> >> Ken >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John Greer >> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 9:14 PM >> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at >> CSUN >> >> In fact, to make it even more fair, don't use Jaws at all and Just use >> Narrator. Either XP's Narrator or Vista. Betcha we would see a >> productivity difference then huh? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John Greer" <jpgreer17@xxxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 10:05 PM >> Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at >> CSUN >> >> >>> Well the point is dueling operating systems right? That means that >>> one operating system has to win over all right? Or is it instead, >>> how fast a bunch of people on Macs can burn a CD, How fast a bunch >>> of Windows users can open a website? If that is so, I personally >>> would rather know how each of the operating systems stack up against >>> each other from a productivity stand point. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Chris Meredith" <tallin32@xxxxxxxxxxx> >>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 9:32 PM >>> Subject: RE: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at >>> CSUN >>> >>> >>>> Wouldn't that only be effective if the system specs were similar? >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John >>>> Greer >>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 6:24 PM >>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> Subject: Re: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at >>>> CSUN >>>> >>>> Quickest boot times from first press of the on button to screen >>>> reader start. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Jamal Mazrui" <empower@xxxxxxxxx> >>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 4:37 PM >>>> Subject: Seeking possible tasks for Dueling Operating Systems at >>>> CSUN >>>> >>>> >>>>>I am moderating an event called Dueling Operating Systems at the >>>>>CSUN conference next week. Three users of an operating system and >>>>>screen reader combination will compete for a couple hours: Windows >>>>>with JAWS, the Mac with VoiceOver, and Gnome/Unix with Orca. >>>>> >>>>> We agreed to develop a long list of possible tasks that would each >>>>> take from about 3 to 5 minutes using software that comes with the >>>>> operating system, except for JAWS and Microsoft Office. Either I >>>>> or others I enlist would pick a selection of tasks from the list at >>>>> the actual event. >>>>> Each task should be described in a general enough way so that >>>>> someone can choose the application and screen reader techniques >>>>> that achieve the same result. >>>>> >>>>> If anyone has suggestions about possible tasks to include on the >>>>> list, I welcome such input. >>>>> >>>>> Jamal >>>>> >>>>> __________ >>>>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> __________ >>>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>>> >>>> __________ >>>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>>> >>>> >>> >>> __________ >>> View the list's information and change your settings at >>> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >>> >>> >> >> __________ >> View the list's information and change your settings at >> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >> >> __________ >> View the list's information and change your settings at >> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >> >> > > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind