Re: New programmer

Stick with windows languages. A really simple and easy to learn language is called Liberty Basic. It is a programming language that is very similar to Visual Basic except it is myuch simpler and offers, or at least did, many, many less accessibility issues. It has it's own text editor like NotePad where you can do your coding and a built in test compiler and output for error messeges. If you are a raw beginner I would try and avoid the VB.net or CSharp net or any other of the Microsoft languages at first. That is because along with the complexity of learning to write a program you will have many headaches with something called OOP, that stands for Object Orientated Programming, the use of a DataBase in many examples which is way complicated and the development environment where you will try and write code can be very confusing and poses accessibility problems that might cause you major stress while trying to learn what goes where to make a program. I do not program in Python or the other scripting languages so don't know how easy they are to work in. I learned the fundementals many, many years ago but found Liberty Basic pretty easy and straight forward to use. They have been working on it over the years I would guess so it might now have an IDE like the Microsoft Visual Studio products. If it does it might not be a good choice. But, if it still uses the NotePad style editor it whould be considered. Their e-list is a very good list and they are very helpful to beginners. I have not looked at it in over 8 years so it may have changed but it is one choice. If you want to learn to program from the ground up you can also use VB.net which is a pretty easy language and not as rigid as C#, pronounced CSharp so easier to learn. That said, you would have to download the language from a Microsoft website, then install it, configure it to work with your screen reader and, if JAWS, you will need to download and install the Scripts for working with VB.net, the Visual Studio Scripts. After you get that done you are ready to start learning to program in Visual Basic. Then you will need to walk through some sample programs you can find in the help for VB.net which will be loaded, I think, wwhen you download VB.net, or you can Google for examples or pick up a couple of books. It is a long process to learn to program and you would be best off taking a course or two in computer programming at a local school if you can find one. 
Rick USA
----- Original Message ----- From: "The Elf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: New programmer



welcome to the list,
if you want to program desktop for windows apps, then C# would be what I would recommend, there is extra work to make java apps accessible and it seems that it's not always a success even with the additional work.
just for your knowledge, I have a site called the grab bag (URL under my name) with some helpful stuff on it for programmers, and most of the stuff for VS 2005 also applies and works with VS 2008, including the super jaws scripts for VS 2005/8 

HTH,
inthane
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for blind computer users and programmers
http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Øyvind Lode" <oyvind.lode@xxxxxxxxx> 
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 8:13 AM
Subject: New programmer



Hi

I want to learn to program.
I'm not quite sure what to dive into yet.
I think I want to focus on desktop application development on Windows.

Which language do you recommend?
C, C++, C#, F#, Ruby, Python, Java etc?

Currently I'm leaning towards C# or Java.
I don't know why though :)

I'm a Jaws user and EdSharp is my text editor of choice.



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