"TLTs in both voltage and current form are still art." I don't believe we're seeing ant "TLT" effects here, given frequency and length of wire. Pure voltage and current xfmrs in my estimation. "The biggest problem is transformers and their size are frequency related " Yes. That's why I used small binocs and fine wire. BTW, I'm a firm believer that there is no "Guanells effect" at these HF frequencies with the tiny structures we're using. I believe what's going on when you improve performance by twisting the wires at HF is that you're satisfying the physics requirement that the wires have to occupy the same physical space for perfect coupling. BTW, in my testing with these particular transformers, it didn't make a lick of difference if they were twisted or not. Of course, this is just audio we're talking about. No, really, it's the near perfect coupling provided by the binoc at these frequencies. It probably would improve things on a toroid core though. "Yes, your FST3257 plot is cleaner" Are you talking about my 'compound transformer' unit? If so, you don't have anything else in the same circuit topology to compare to yet, unless you found someone else's plots of Farhans design...mine is different.