to make it easier to execute vo commands, you can lock and unlock the vo keys, lock is vo-semicolon, to unlock is semicolon. command-accent only works in an application where several windows are opened. for instance, open a finder window froom the desktop and press command-accent and focus will return to the desktop. On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:42 PM, Julio C. Perez wrote: The command-accent (key left of #1 in keyboard number row) does nothing on my system. I am using Lion. I also have a numeric keypad (wireless external). I find this tremendously helpful since I don't need to try and execute those VO multi-key commands that make me wish I had six fingers on one hand. On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:32 PM, Tracy Duffy wrote: > You can also try command along with the grav key. This will move you from > window to window within an application. At least it does in Snowleopard. > > > On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:30 PM, George B wrote: > >> good job david i am not on my mac and could not remember that command >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mac4theblind- >>> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Hilbert Poehlman >>> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 09:27 >>> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: help on help! >>> >>> try vo-f2 twice to bring up a list of open windows. >>> >>> >>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Julio C. Perez wrote: >>> >>> So, when I press command-tab twice, it doesn't bring me to the >>> previously open help topic I left. It only switches me to the other >>> application windows or brings me back to the same VO utilities window. >>> If I go to the menu and arrow down the windows options, I only see one >>> applications window available to choose from. Is one of those other >>> options on that windows drop-down the one I need to take me back to the >>> topic I left? How does one switch to different windows within an >>> application window? >>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:00 PM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote: >>> >>>> try command-tab twice. >>>> >>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 11:47 AM, George B wrote: >>>> >>>> First of all command tab changes your application from one to another >>> not >>>> windows within a application. >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mac4theblind- >>>>> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Julio C. Perez >>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 08:44 >>>>> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: help on help! >>>>> >>>>> Ok, here is an example.. >>>>> >>>>> I am currently in a help window that has . here is an even better >>>>> example of not having a clue of something that should be (and needs >>> to >>>>> be) understood by a neophyte. >>>>> >>>>> As I am writing this message, I switch to another window where I'm >>>>> working with a help topic. I switch back to this window to write >>>>> something and when I use the "command-tab" hoping to return to the >>> help >>>>> window. I end up back in the VoiceOver utilities area. Not the help >>>>> topic I thought I would be going to. How do I make this simple >>> switch >>>>> from one window to another without having to navigate back to the >>> topic >>>>> layer after linked layer? >>>>> >>>>> This is the sort of thing that I never had to think about before. >>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 11:24 AM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> can you give us an example? I believe I know what you need to do >>> but >>>>> rather than searching through help for an item, it would speed up >>> the >>>>> process having an example. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 11:16 AM, Julio C. Perez wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> It seems like the more I think I've learned, the more I know I've >>>>> missed! >>>>>> >>>>>> Right now I'm going through the VoiceOver help menu seeking areas >>> I'm >>>>> weak on and hoping to learn more. When I get to a "show" clickable >>>>> object, I select it. and nothing seems to happen except that it >>> changes >>>>> from a "show" to a "hide" area. Where does the related information >>> get >>>>> shown? What part of this process am I not getting? >>>>>> >>>>>> I can freely admit that navigation and safari navigation in >>>>> particular are my weakest areas. This makes learning via the >>> provided >>>>> help topics slow. Does anyone know of a good tutorial for >>> transplanted >>>>> windows/internet explorer/JAWS users? 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