[mac4theblind] Re: help on help!

If I press "cvo-shift-up arrow"Do you mean "command-VO-shift-up arrow"? cause 
if I do this it has the effect of  moving the VO cursor up.
On Mar 3, 2012, at 2:33 PM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote:

> press cvo-shift-up arrow and then try vo-right.
> 
> On Mar 3, 2012, at 1:27 PM, Julio C. Perez wrote:
> 
> VO-left or right arrows only take me (line by line) to the top or bottom of 
> the object I'm interacting with. Either links to other topics or groups. Not 
> explanatory text.
> On Mar 3, 2012, at 1:04 PM, John Panarese wrote:
> 
>> If you vo space on the clickable item, try navigating right with the VO and 
>> right arrow keys.  See if that reveals anything for you.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> http://www.macfortheblind.com
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>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> MAC VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 1:02 PM, "Julio C. Perez" <jcperez11@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks John for the detailed clarification. I guess I did not get it when 
>>> David said it the first time. I can get back to the proper window within 
>>> the application by using the command-f2 twice. 
>>> 
>>> Now I can get back to the issue I started this thread with.
>>> 
>>> So here I am in the help topic that is supposed to explain how to select 
>>> and deselect single and multiple items. I have here a list of clickable 
>>> objects that say "show" group with two items. When I interact with the 
>>> group, I find two clickable items within (as expected). When I click on the 
>>> "show" clickable, I expect to get to some text or html window that explains 
>>> how to do this. The only thing I seem to find is that there now appears a 
>>> "hide" clickable. Where do I go to find the instructions for selecting or 
>>> deselecting one or more items? The window chooser command only gives me the 
>>> "help" and "utilities" child windows. Could this have something to do with 
>>> the navigational mode or something? 
>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:40 PM, John Panarese wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The command-accent combination, which is the key below the escape key, 
>>>> will cycle you through open windows in an application.  Command-tab cycles 
>>>> you through your open applications.  For the help, try the command-accent 
>>>> or David's suggestion of using the window chooser menu with VO-F2 twice 
>>>> and then using the up and down arrows to see a list of your currently open 
>>>> windows.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Take Care
>>>> 
>>>> John D. Panarese
>>>> Director
>>>> Mac for the Blind
>>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>>> Email, john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:36 PM, George B wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> hummmm what is a grave key, please??
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tracy Duffy
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 09:32
>>>>> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: help on help!
>>>>> 
>>>>> You can also try command along with the grav key. This will move you from
>>>>> window to window within an application. At least it does in Snowleopard. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:30 PM, George B wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> good job david i am not on my mac and could not remember that command
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mac4theblind-
>>>>> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Hilbert Poehlman
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 09:27
>>>>> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: help on help!
>>>>> 
>>>>> try vo-f2 twice to bring up a list of open windows.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Julio C. Perez wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> So, when I press command-tab twice, it doesn't bring me to the
>>>>> previously open help topic I left. It only switches me to the other
>>>>> application windows or brings me back to the same VO utilities window.
>>>>> If I go to the menu and arrow down the windows options, I only see one
>>>>> applications window available to choose from. Is one of those other
>>>>> options on that windows drop-down the one I need to take me back to the
>>>>> topic I left? How does one switch to different windows within an
>>>>> application window?
>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:00 PM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> try command-tab twice.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 11:47 AM, George B wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> First of all command tab changes your application from one to another
>>>>> not
>>>>> windows within a application.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mac4theblind-
>>>>> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Julio C. Perez
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 08:44
>>>>> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: help on help!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ok, here is an example..
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am currently in a help window that has . here is an even better
>>>>> example of not having a clue of something that should be (and needs
>>>>> to
>>>>> be) understood by a neophyte.
>>>>> 
>>>>> As I am writing this message, I switch to another window where I'm
>>>>> working with a help topic. I switch back to this window to write
>>>>> something and when I use the "command-tab" hoping to return to the
>>>>> help
>>>>> window. I end up back in the VoiceOver utilities area. Not the help
>>>>> topic I thought I would be going to. How do I make this simple
>>>>> switch
>>>>> from one window to another without having to navigate back to the
>>>>> topic
>>>>> layer after linked layer?
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is the sort of thing that I never had to think about before.
>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 11:24 AM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> can you give us an example?  I believe I know what you need to do
>>>>> but
>>>>> rather than searching through help for an item, it would speed up
>>>>> the
>>>>> process having an example.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 11:16 AM, Julio C. Perez wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> It seems like the more I think I've learned, the more I know I've
>>>>> missed!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Right now I'm going through the VoiceOver help menu seeking areas
>>>>> I'm
>>>>> weak on and hoping to learn more. When I get to a "show" clickable
>>>>> object, I select it. and nothing seems to happen except that it
>>>>> changes
>>>>> from a "show" to a "hide" area. Where does the related information
>>>>> get
>>>>> shown? What part of this process am I not getting?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I can freely admit that navigation and safari navigation in
>>>>> particular are my weakest areas. This makes learning via the
>>>>> provided
>>>>> help topics slow. Does anyone know of a good tutorial for
>>>>> transplanted
>>>>> windows/internet explorer/JAWS users? I mean, there should be enough
>>>>> of
>>>>> us by now to have, at least, an email list that can serve as a place
>>>>> to
>>>>> trade and ask for information that might bore those of you for whom
>>>>> the
>>>>> mac environment is natural.
>>>>> 
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