It seems like the more I think I've learned, the more I know I've missed! Right now I'm going through the VoiceOver help menu seeking areas I'm weak on and hoping to learn more. When I get to a "show" clickable object, I select it… and nothing seems to happen except that it changes from a "show" to a "hide" area. Where does the related information get shown? What part of this process am I not getting? I can freely admit that navigation and safari navigation in particular are my weakest areas. This makes learning via the provided help topics slow. Does anyone know of a good tutorial for transplanted windows/internet explorer/JAWS users? I mean, there should be enough of us by now to have, at least, an email list that can serve as a place to trade and ask for information that might bore those of you for whom the mac environment is natural. /jp, mac user without papers!************ You are subscribed to the mac4theblind mailing list. The url for this list, where one can unsubscribe or make any changes to their list subscription is: //www.freelists.org/list/mac4theblind The list archive is located at //www.freelists.org/archive/mac4theblind/ All emails intended for the list owner can be sent to: john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx