now I've learned two great new commands from you folks on this thread. VO-f1 and VO-f2. This should make exploration easier for the rest of this weekend. Thanks! On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:50 PM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote: > actually, that is vo-f1 twice in rapid succession. > > On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:40 PM, Daniel McGee wrote: > > Failing that, try opening the "application menu". This can be done by > pressing VO keys and F2 twice in quick supsession. > > Thanks > > Daniel > On 3 Mar 2012, at 17:26, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote: > >> try vo-f2 twice to bring up a list of open windows. >> >> >> On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Julio C. Perez wrote: >> >> So, when I press command-tab twice, it doesn't bring me to the previously >> open help topic I left. It only switches me to the other application windows >> or brings me back to the same VO utilities window. If I go to the menu and >> arrow down the windows options, I only see one applications window available >> to choose from. Is one of those other options on that windows drop-down the >> one I need to take me back to the topic I left? How does one switch to >> different windows within an application window? >> On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:00 PM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote: >> >>> try command-tab twice. >>> >>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 11:47 AM, George B wrote: >>> >>> First of all command tab changes your application from one to another not >>> windows within a application. >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mac4theblind- >>>> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Julio C. Perez >>>> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 08:44 >>>> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: help on help! >>>> >>>> Ok, here is an example.. >>>> >>>> I am currently in a help window that has . here is an even better >>>> example of not having a clue of something that should be (and needs to >>>> be) understood by a neophyte. >>>> >>>> As I am writing this message, I switch to another window where I'm >>>> working with a help topic. I switch back to this window to write >>>> something and when I use the "command-tab" hoping to return to the help >>>> window. I end up back in the VoiceOver utilities area. Not the help >>>> topic I thought I would be going to. How do I make this simple switch >>>> from one window to another without having to navigate back to the topic >>>> layer after linked layer? >>>> >>>> This is the sort of thing that I never had to think about before. >>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 11:24 AM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote: >>>> >>>>> can you give us an example? I believe I know what you need to do but >>>> rather than searching through help for an item, it would speed up the >>>> process having an example. >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 11:16 AM, Julio C. Perez wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It seems like the more I think I've learned, the more I know I've >>>> missed! >>>>> >>>>> Right now I'm going through the VoiceOver help menu seeking areas I'm >>>> weak on and hoping to learn more. When I get to a "show" clickable >>>> object, I select it. and nothing seems to happen except that it changes >>>> from a "show" to a "hide" area. Where does the related information get >>>> shown? What part of this process am I not getting? >>>>> >>>>> I can freely admit that navigation and safari navigation in >>>> particular are my weakest areas. This makes learning via the provided >>>> help topics slow. Does anyone know of a good tutorial for transplanted >>>> windows/internet explorer/JAWS users? 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