[mac4theblind] Re: help on help!

  • From: David Hilbert Poehlman <poehlman1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 14:32:22 -0500

as john said, this was to show you how to work with windows in an app.  when 
you are in that help window, try command-accent.

On Mar 3, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Julio C. Perez wrote:

Thanks, this WILL come in handy when I work with safari.
On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:48 PM, John Panarese wrote:

>   If that command is not working, try the VO Window chooser.  It should work, 
> unless there is no other windows open.  As an experiment, open Safari and 
> open a couple of web pages.  Then, try the command-accent key combination.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
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> On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:42 PM, "Julio C. Perez" <jcperez11@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
>> The command-accent (key left of #1 in keyboard number row) does nothing on 
>> my system. I am using Lion. I also have a numeric keypad (wireless 
>> external). I find this tremendously helpful since I don't need to try and 
>> execute those VO multi-key commands that make me wish I had six fingers on 
>> one hand. 
>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:32 PM, Tracy Duffy wrote:
>> 
>>> You can also try command along with the grav key. This will move you from 
>>> window to window within an application. At least it does in Snowleopard. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:30 PM, George B wrote:
>>> 
>>>> good job david i am not on my mac and could not remember that command
>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mac4theblind-
>>>>> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Hilbert Poehlman
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 09:27
>>>>> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: help on help!
>>>>> 
>>>>> try vo-f2 twice to bring up a list of open windows.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Julio C. Perez wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> So, when I press command-tab twice, it doesn't bring me to the
>>>>> previously open help topic I left. It only switches me to the other
>>>>> application windows or brings me back to the same VO utilities window.
>>>>> If I go to the menu and arrow down the windows options, I only see one
>>>>> applications window available to choose from. Is one of those other
>>>>> options on that windows drop-down the one I need to take me back to the
>>>>> topic I left? How does one switch to different windows within an
>>>>> application window?
>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:00 PM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> try command-tab twice.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 11:47 AM, George B wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> First of all command tab changes your application from one to another
>>>>> not
>>>>>> windows within a application.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mac4theblind-
>>>>>>> bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Julio C. Perez
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 08:44
>>>>>>> To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: help on help!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ok, here is an example..
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I am currently in a help window that has . here is an even better
>>>>>>> example of not having a clue of something that should be (and needs
>>>>> to
>>>>>>> be) understood by a neophyte.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> As I am writing this message, I switch to another window where I'm
>>>>>>> working with a help topic. I switch back to this window to write
>>>>>>> something and when I use the "command-tab" hoping to return to the
>>>>> help
>>>>>>> window. I end up back in the VoiceOver utilities area. Not the help
>>>>>>> topic I thought I would be going to. How do I make this simple
>>>>> switch
>>>>>>> from one window to another without having to navigate back to the
>>>>> topic
>>>>>>> layer after linked layer?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> This is the sort of thing that I never had to think about before.
>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 11:24 AM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> can you give us an example?  I believe I know what you need to do
>>>>> but
>>>>>>> rather than searching through help for an item, it would speed up
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> process having an example.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Mar 3, 2012, at 11:16 AM, Julio C. Perez wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> It seems like the more I think I've learned, the more I know I've
>>>>>>> missed!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Right now I'm going through the VoiceOver help menu seeking areas
>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>> weak on and hoping to learn more. When I get to a "show" clickable
>>>>>>> object, I select it. and nothing seems to happen except that it
>>>>> changes
>>>>>>> from a "show" to a "hide" area. Where does the related information
>>>>> get
>>>>>>> shown? What part of this process am I not getting?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I can freely admit that navigation and safari navigation in
>>>>>>> particular are my weakest areas. This makes learning via the
>>>>> provided
>>>>>>> help topics slow. Does anyone know of a good tutorial for
>>>>> transplanted
>>>>>>> windows/internet explorer/JAWS users? I mean, there should be enough
>>>>> of
>>>>>>> us by now to have, at least, an email list that can serve as a place
>>>>> to
>>>>>>> trade and ask for information that might bore those of you for whom
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> mac environment is natural.
>>>>>>>> 
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