hummmm what is a grave key, please?? From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tracy Duffy Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 09:32 To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: help on help! You can also try command along with the grav key. This will move you from window to window within an application. At least it does in Snowleopard. On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:30 PM, George B wrote: good job david i am not on my mac and could not remember that command -----Original Message----- From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mac4theblind- bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Hilbert Poehlman Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 09:27 To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: help on help! try vo-f2 twice to bring up a list of open windows. On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:18 PM, Julio C. Perez wrote: So, when I press command-tab twice, it doesn't bring me to the previously open help topic I left. It only switches me to the other application windows or brings me back to the same VO utilities window. If I go to the menu and arrow down the windows options, I only see one applications window available to choose from. Is one of those other options on that windows drop-down the one I need to take me back to the topic I left? How does one switch to different windows within an application window? On Mar 3, 2012, at 12:00 PM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote: try command-tab twice. On Mar 3, 2012, at 11:47 AM, George B wrote: First of all command tab changes your application from one to another not windows within a application. -----Original Message----- From: mac4theblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:mac4theblind- bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Julio C. Perez Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 08:44 To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [mac4theblind] Re: help on help! Ok, here is an example.. I am currently in a help window that has . here is an even better example of not having a clue of something that should be (and needs to be) understood by a neophyte. As I am writing this message, I switch to another window where I'm working with a help topic. I switch back to this window to write something and when I use the "command-tab" hoping to return to the help window. I end up back in the VoiceOver utilities area. Not the help topic I thought I would be going to. How do I make this simple switch from one window to another without having to navigate back to the topic layer after linked layer? This is the sort of thing that I never had to think about before. On Mar 3, 2012, at 11:24 AM, David Hilbert Poehlman wrote: can you give us an example? I believe I know what you need to do but rather than searching through help for an item, it would speed up the process having an example. On Mar 3, 2012, at 11:16 AM, Julio C. Perez wrote: It seems like the more I think I've learned, the more I know I've missed! Right now I'm going through the VoiceOver help menu seeking areas I'm weak on and hoping to learn more. When I get to a "show" clickable object, I select it. and nothing seems to happen except that it changes from a "show" to a "hide" area. Where does the related information get shown? What part of this process am I not getting? I can freely admit that navigation and safari navigation in particular are my weakest areas. This makes learning via the provided help topics slow. Does anyone know of a good tutorial for transplanted windows/internet explorer/JAWS users? I mean, there should be enough of us by now to have, at least, an email list that can serve as a place to trade and ask for information that might bore those of you for whom the mac environment is natural. /jp, mac user without papers!************ You are subscribed to the mac4theblind mailing list. 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