----- Original Message ----- From: To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: 11/13/2005 1:55:19 PM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Willie Pete's Role Reversal In a message dated 11/13/2005 12:53:25 P.M. Central Standard Time, andreas@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: I've read in a number of places that the soldiers have their own internal websites where they post these pixs and share them with each other. *ALL* soldiers? A.A. "All" is the answer you never select on a multiple choice test. After lynchings in the South the lynchers took pictures of themselves next to their trophies. Sweet faced Lyndie English and her male soldier friend had a big smiles on their faces next to that dead body. Why did they take the pictures? If Lyndie could do this, why are you having such a problem believing Lyndon can do the same or worse? The "fact" that veterans don't talk about abuse experiences is not surprising. Cops under much milder conditions are known to beat up rioters and even speeders (it was caught on a Fox video and played on television not so long ago). Try to get anything out of the blue wall of silence. Looking at the bright side and assuming that humans under the worst conditions will act civilized is a great way to wind up with tortured and dead bodies. If you think people can be so good under war conditions, why do we need a police force for ordinary times? Yeah, we're all against the war. But there's the war and then there's sapping of resources as we make ourselves more and more insecure and al Qaeda grows stronger and stronger in Iraq. We're trying to win a war militarily that the military has said cannot be won militarily. We're bleeding to death in Iraq the way OBL promised we would. Yet we support this war. Andy Amago I think that is what we are discussing--is it all, most or is it some? Often it is other soldiers policing their own that causes some of this to come to light. So, how can it be *all* the soldiers (or even *most*)? Best, Marlena