Sorry, Marlena, but to call soldiers "young ones" is to be clueless about war and its atrocities. It's worse than clueless. Again not a coincidence that it's the religious who are the most insensitive of what they're sending their "young ones" to do. Those nice boys, all dressed up in that nice uniform, making the folks back home proud. Who wants to know that they beat captives short of death for stress relief? > [Original Message] > From: Andreas Ramos <andreas@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Date: 11/12/2005 2:44:49 PM > Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Willie Pete's Role Reversal > > > Who in the world do you know that is doing this? > > I have good friends who have kids in Iraq. > > When the German soldiers returned from their war, they all said that they had seen nothing. > None of those atrocities or abuses. > > When the US soldiers returned from Vietnam, they all said that they had seen nothing. None > of those atrocities or abuses. > > When the US soldiers return from Afghanistan and Iraq, they all say that they had seen > nothing. None of those atrocities or abuses. > > Of course not. These are good boys, returning to their homes, their moms, their communities. > What else would they say? > > But what did these nice boys do, when they were 12,000 miles away on the other side of the > planet? These are young men, with their overactive male hormones, with their buddies, in a > completely lawless area, armed to the teeth and they can do whatever they goddamn fucking > feel like doing. > > These are soldiers at war. War is not nice. (Hey, that's another truism for Phil!) > > Soldiers are not trained to be nice. They are not trained to be respectful. They are trained > to kill. How do you deal with a threat? You kill it. Any potential threat? You kill it. > > But there's more to war than the military stuff. There's the whore houses, the pornography, > and the booze, all in massive amounts. > > And when they return home, they're nice young boys again. > > http://www.nybooks.com/articles/18414 > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4278734.stm > > http://www.hrw.org/campaigns/iraq/#Conduct > > Be careful with this next one. It's not nice. (Phil, don't click on this one). It doesn't > have nice boys in it. It has language and situations. > > http://www.eastbayexpress.com/Issues/2005-09-21/news/news.html > > Okay. Deep breath. You wanna see the Freedom Standing Tall? You wanna see smoked sand > niggers? God Bless America! > > http://www.nowthatsfuckedup.com/bbs/forum23.html > > yrs, > andreas > www.andreas.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, > digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html