Lawrence Helm wrote: "I know of three people who seem to claim to be or give evidence of being true pacifists: Phil Enns, Austin Meredith, and Mike Geary." I haven't a clue what a 'true' pacifist is, but I doubt I would qualify as one. Given that violence comes in so many different shapes and forms, I am not at all certain that it is possible to articulate a 'true' pacifist position, much less live it. I hold pacifist beliefs but these beliefs are nuanced and not anything like your account of pacifism, which seems to me to be fairly obviously a caricature. Furthermore, I doubt the Skipper would want to be lumped into the same category as me. Sincerely, Phil Enns Toronto, ON ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html