Hello Judith On 9 Apr 2004 at 22:57, Judith Evans wrote: > The problem with your argument, Torgeir, is that you're making it to people > who do the teaching and marking, and albeit they cannot compare their > students with all students, can compare one group of students with another. "Problem", I don't know. But, yes, I identify as teacher in this context. And your point is well put, which is precisely my point. Educators are certified to educate, inclusive of assessing students. We're the pros. -tor > -----Original Message----- > On 9 Apr 2004 at 10:19, Steven G. Cameron wrote: > > > Do any of you have additional insight(s) into this?? > > > > Aiming to halt widespread grade inflation afflicting Ivy League > > colleges, Princeton University officials are proposing to limit the > > number of A's that its professors award. > > Well, insights, I don't know. But the sentiment is well known from multiple > educational sites (Minnesota, kwaZulu/Natal and Norway). As a > version of Moral Panic, it's basically the old Monty Python joke of "kids of > today don't know how easy they have it. We had it rough." And > since it's usually, as in this story, based on a numerical sort of argument, > I find it most efficient to counter it ditto. It goes > something like this: > > Even if it was the case that each birth cohort could be predicted in terms > of their distribution according to a scale of, say, > "intelligence", it would still remain impossible to predict the exact > location of each distributed element. Perhaps ALL the A students of > one particular cohort went to the University of Minnesota? Then we would > surely agree that it would be wrong to apply this kind of doctrine > STRICTLY. It can't be applied on a class level, and clearly even university > level would be too small. Would a national level apply? > > It has been pointed out previously on this list that when it is applied to > such a large social group, forms of instruction vary to the > extent that it would be meaningless to test for the same things across the > population. And then we're left with the general abstracts, > "intelligence" and "population". Perhaps it would also be helpful to remind > those who are not themselves assigning marks that these kinds > of evaluations are spurious and huge simplications of massively complex > matters. If only the world could be reduced to analytical > categories... -- Torgeir Fjeld torgfje2@xxxxxxxxxx http://home.no.net/torgfje/ ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html