[lit-ideas] Re: Brigette Gabriel again supporting Israel
- From: "Andy Amago" <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2006 09:15:00 -0400
Stan, even if all this is true, what does it take to convince people that a
military solution doesn't work? It was in the process of not working big
time in Iraq when Israel invaded. People always think it can only happen
to the other guy. Since its inception Israel has pursued peace at the
point of a gun, and here they are. The Vietnamese mopped the floor with
us. Our military might is the reason hell on earth exists in Iraq.
Military solutions don't work.
Do you think, Stan, if Bush had metaphorically baked a cake and knocked on
Ahmadinejad's door and had coffee with him and talked about his vacation
plans, do you think that there might be a better result than what there is
today? Truly, how do you think things would look if Bush had treated A.
and his country like they were made up of human beings, responded to their
overtures instead of escalating this thing to where it is? We were a hyper
power, not a super power, a hyper power (the French coined that word).
Iran would have loved to feel embraced by a hyper power. Who wouldn't?
And how different things would be, don't you think? Instead, Iran is
rising and we're becoming irrelevant.
I grant you that an approach like that would not have worked with Stalin,
but it might have worked in the early stages of the Russian Revolution.
Israel was conceived in war and existed through war. They have something
like the third or fifth biggest military in the world (third, maybe even
second in firepower, courtesy of the U.S. China is second in size; second,
third, Israel is up there). So, whimper or rage, war is what you have.
It's not too late to drop the superiority and the arrogance, but the hour
is late. And please don't write back and tell me about Hitler. There is no
comparison at all, unless you're willing to see Israel in the aggressor
role, which of course you never will.
> [Original Message]
> From: Stan Spiegel <writeforu2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 8/1/2006 8:44:32 AM
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Brigette Gabriel again supporting Israel
>
> Omar writes:
> "Like the other Zionists, you never tire of whimpering
> about those bad people who wish to 'destroy Israel,'
> yet you are here bluntly demanding that a large
> popular organization with an impressive record of
> social services and resistance to occupation be
> destroyed. To this end, you are prepared to endorse
> large-scale killing of civilians and destruction of a
> country. That is a militant and war-mongering
> position, Stan. I suggest that you don't even bother
> to try to pretend that you are some kind of liberal or
> moderate again. You have shown your true face once and
> for all in this in discussion, and it's not a pretty
> face."
>
> Wimpering I'm not. Raging is closer to a description of how I feel.
> Hezbollah's "impressive record of social services" is what's makes them
such
> a wonderful Trojan Horse. They were able to hide behind "good works" to
make
> people believe they were concerned about them. Their unprovoked attack of
> Israel -- exactly on the day the EU had set for Iran to respond to its
> nuclear proposal -- identifies them clearly as an enemy of Lebanon.
>
> Hezbollah is a sleeper cell in Lebanon like Al Quada was( or is) in
America,
> ready to go when programmed to. The Lebanese who support Hezbollah still
> aren't aware that Hezbollah doesn't support Lebanon.
>
> Hezbollah must be destroyed. A sustainable cease-fire will never take
place.
> Israel deserves better than to have someone next door always waiting and
> ready to invade and kill them. I couldn't sleep if I had a neighbor like
> that. Neither could you, Omar.
>
> Like al Quada, Hezbollah will never be satisfied until they achieve their
> deadly goals. I'm not ready to let them. How can you -- an intelligent
> person -- be so swayed by Hezbollah's good works as to overlook their
real
> goals: the annihilation of Israel?
>
> Stan Spiegel
> Portland, ME
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Omar Kusturica" <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 8:10 AM
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Brigette Gabriel again supporting Israel
>
>
> >
> >
> > --- Stan Spiegel <writeforu2@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Open her website and read all the pages. You won't
> >> agree with Helen's assessment. Hezbollah's behavior
> >> is reason for it all. A cease-fire, in my opinion
> >> will do nothing but give Hezbollah more breathing
> >> room, not bring about any resolution. Hezbollah is a
> >> cancer and needs to be destroyed.
> >
> > *Your memory appears to be rather short and selective,
> > Stan. As I remember, we have spent years now on this
> > list discussing various conflict in the ME while
> > hardly ever mentioning the Hezbollah. Suddenly the
> > Hezbollah is the source of all evil ?
> >
> > Like the other Zionists, you never tire of whimpering
> > about those bad people who wish to 'destroy Israel,'
> > yet you are here bluntly demanding that a large
> > popular organization with an impressive record of
> > social services and resistance to occupation be
> > destroyed. To this end, you are prepared to endorse
> > large-scale killing of civilians and destruction of a
> > country. That is a militant and war-mongering
> > position, Stan. I suggest that you don't even bother
> > to try to pretend that you are some kind of liberal or
> > moderate again. You have shown your true face once and
> > for all in this in discussion, and it's not a pretty
> > face.
> >
> > O.K.
> >
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