One of the Leftist ploys when one doesn't want to discuss the issue: Change it to another issue. Change it to something I'm not talking about. If I talk about the conflict between Liberal Democracy and Militant Islam, change it to Communism vs. a Muslim insurgency, confuse, confuse, confuse. And then when the parallel doesn't fit, as it obviously doesn't, blame me for the absurdity. But then what should I expect, right? Oh wait, I haven't had my first cup of coffee, & didn't realize there were a couple of more paragraphs. Militant Islam, according to Andreas, was founded by the CIA. Well that explains it. All those Hollywood movies blaming the CIA for everything must have been right after all. Andreas likes to ignore the many times I've traced the history of militant Islam. Unlike him I trace it ideologically beginning with the Wahhabi in the 18th century, then the Salafists, Maududi in India and Pakistan, Al Banna and Sayyid Qutb in Egypt, Khomeini in Iran. It is an ideology. The CI A didn't teach Osama bin Laden to be a Militant Islamist. He learned that at the feet of the brother of Sayyid Qutb. As everyone else knows, the CIA's priority was defeating the Soviet Union, opposing Communism in accordance with the Truman doctrine, not worrying about Militant Islam. After the CIA left, Osama founded "The Base," Al Quaeda, but even he didn't found Militant Islam. He only engaged in some militant Islamic activities that caught America's attention. Prior to 9/11 it was the Militant Islamic organization called Hezbollah that had killed my Americans than any other Militant Islamic organization. And there Andreas is being silly, talking about the absurdity of calling the jihadists of Afghanistan a tyrannical authority. How long after the CIA went home before Afghanistan was taken over by that classic tyrannical authority, the Taliban? And what did the Taliban do but support Osama bin Laden? And what did Osama do with his Base but take up one of the arguments of Sayyid Qutb, namely that Islam is still at war with the West? The Crusades are still in effect; so Islam must counter them. Lawrence -----Original Message----- From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Andreas Ramos Sent: Monday, July 31, 2006 9:54 PM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Comments on Stans articles From: "Lawrence Helm" <lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Both the articles that are the occasion of your objection illustrate > something very important, that the conflict we are witnessing is between a > Liberal Democracy and forces that favor tyrannical authoritarianism*. > > The other article, the Haaretz editorial draws our attention at a broader > level to the same thing: a Liberal Democracy is fighting against the forces > of tyrannical authoritarianism*, in this case Militant Islam in the form of > a Terrorist organization I wonder how Lawrence would analyze the USSR's war in Afghanistan? The Soviets fought a occupationalist war against Islamic resistance fighters. Were the Soviets a bunch of leftists? Certainly not; the jihadists are New York defeatist leftists, so the Soviets must be right wing conservatives. Wait, were the Soviet anti-American liberals or pro-American conservatives? They fought against jihadists, so they must be pro-Americans, right? A few more lines of this, and I'll have Lawrence marching in Red Square, singing the Gimn Sovetskovo Soyuza. The jihadists were funded by the CIA, so they were militant tyrannical authoritarianists? Or the moral equivalent of the Founding Fathers? Were they freedom fighters when their Stingers were aimed at Soviet Mil Mi-24 Hind gunship helicopters and Islamo-fascists when their Stingers were aimed at US Apache helicopters? What happens when a dusty Mujahideen fighter is spinning around in a field, aiming his missile launcher at a Hind, then an Apache, then a Hind, then an Apache? Is Lawrence changing his definition with each spin? Or is the poor jihadist just totally dizzy? I can't wait for "Taliban! The Musical." yrs, andreas www.andreas.com ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html