[lit-ideas] Re: Big Pharma's competition
- From: Brian <cabrian@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 17:50:26 -0500
I only wish Bush truly would take apart Social Security. All of it.
It is a relic of Big Government and has no place in a free society.
If we aren't going to get a Cabinet level department axed in this
second term I'd at least like some conversations about why we're
trying to "reform" a boondoggle like SS. These 20% ultra rich you
speak of are already paying 80% of the taxes, do you favor something
more confiscator?. The rest of your post is elitist and inane.
Mmm, what's that flavor? Bitterness.
~Brian
On May 8, 2005, at 6:55 PM, Andy Amago wrote:
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: <Eternitytime1@xxxxxxx>
>> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Date: 5/7/2005 2:29:40 AM
>> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Big Pharma's competition
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 5/6/2005 11:23:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
>> aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
>> Wow, there's no end to their stupidity. Just a question, when
>> you talk
>>
> to
>
>> these people, do they drool?
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>> No. And, they are not stupid, either. Most of them are very
>> very smart.
>>
>> Very smart.
>>
>>
>
> A.A. Not smart enough to know that Bush is taking apart their Social
> Security while handing out breaks to the ultra wealthy.
>
>
>
>
>> But, like so many of us, they look at only one side of an issue.
>> They
>> generally (like many people on either side of an issue) are not
>> able to
>>
> articulate
>
>> the issue well enough to be able to share its strengths and
>>
> weaknesses/pros
>
>> and cons of an outcome.
>>
>>
>
> A.A. There's not a whole lot to articulate with dismantling Social
> Security, yet still they don't see Bush's involvement even in that
>
>
>
>
>> For example, someone who does not like Big Pharma, ought (in my
>> opinion)
>>
> to
>
>> be able to very very well articulate the pros of Big Pharma as
>> well as
>>
> its
>
>> cons. The people who have absolutely no problem with Big Pharma
>> and who
>>
> can
>
>> see only its pros ought to be able to well articulate the cons, too.
>>
> But, most
>
>> people cannot do that. Many of them simply choose not to do so
>> but many
>>
> of
>
>> them have no idea as to how to do that--and many of them think
>> that if
>>
> they
>
>> even come close to doing that -- well, it will mean that, in some
>> way,
>>
> they
>
>> are condoning the other side.
>>
>>
>
>
> A.A. Most people don't see anything at all, except maybe the
> religious who
> know God loves them, and that's all.
>
>
>
>
>> Even wondering if a person drools smacks (to me) of dis-respect
>> and makes
>>
> me
>
>> wonder if you been aware of the 'good' in these folks. There is
>> much--especially if you value taking care of kids (one's one, but
>>
> also--many of them
>
>> are very involved in volunteer activities which help the elderly,
>> help
>>
> the
>
>> disabled [esp kids going to camps], help with school/PTA
>> activities [and
>>
> do not
>
>> sell that sort of activity short--it is in dire need--for much of
>> what
>>
> happens
>
>> that is of the 'added value' happens because of a PTA which has
>> active
>> parents in it...] The fellow from the NYTImes editorial board
>> (I think
>>
> that was
>
>> where he is from) who wrote one of the few books tracking the
>> trends and
>> beliefs of the 'regular person' as he traveled the area, is able to
>>
> articulate
>
>> pretty well that these are people who, in many respects, care very
>> deeply
>>
> for
>
>> People...
>>
>
>
> A.A. The issue isn't good; even Hitler liked dogs, etc. The issue is
> they're cemented in stone to their religious beliefs. They don't
> realize
> that taking evolution out of the schools will have us sleeping in
> tents
> along with the real Ayatollahs. They and their friend Bush are
> turning
> this country into a backwater. Instead of using meaningless words
> like
> good and bad, let's try shortsighted and religiously fanatical, to
> where
> even the environment doesn't count since they're all being raptured
> one
> day.
>
>
>
>
>>
>> I may not agree with their points of view--but I do in some arenas of
>>
> life.
>
>> Still, even for the beliefs of which I do not agree, it is very very
>>
> hard no
>
>> matter where I would be to not assimiliate those points of view.
>>
>
>
> A.A. It's clear that you're one of the religious right. Unless you
> think
> G-d doesn't like publicity, so that's why he can't have his full name
> spelled out.
>
>
>
> Perhaps
>
>> that is one reason why I look at every angle for all aspects as
>> much as
>>
> I can.
>
>> (my child is having a hard time right now--I think we have hit a
>> new
>>
> phase
>
>> of development, though, in which he sees too many people who he
>> respects
>>
> and
>
>> honors in certain arenas of life who hold very different
>>
> political/religious
>
>> views than what I do.
>>
>
>
> A.A. Letting kids make up their own minds is scary stuff.
>
>
>
> (fortunately, he does know the few that are scattered
>
>> in our world--but frankly, many of them do NOT live in this area and
>>
> those
>
>> that I know with my belief system who live elsewhere do the
>> disparaging
>>
> of
>
>> those who hold different viewpoints even more caustically than
>> those who
>>
> live
>
>> here and who make you wonder if they 'drool'. They do not have much
>>
> tolerance
>
>> for the moderately conservative--those are lumped into the same
>> category
>>
> as
>
>> the rest of them. THEY do not disparage you. I cannot let my
>> child
>>
> meet
>
>> those of that 'do they drool' persuasion because, for me, respect is
>>
> extremely
>
>> important and trumps political/religious viewpoints.)
>>
>
>
>
> A.A. I'm getting from this paragraph that people where you live are
> pretty bigoted. That's a characteristic of the red states. Religious
> people tend to be suspicious and unaccepting of outsiders.
>
>
>
>
> I do understand the
>
>> frustration level--and have my own theories as to why there is such a
>> disrespect for Others--so it helps me not get frustrated with
>> what are
>>
> almost as mean
>
>> comments as some that side has been known to make...<sigh>
>>
>
>
> A.A. Disrespect for others and religion go hand in hand. *Every*
> religion
> is convinced they're right and everyone else is wrong. Can't respect
> people who are wrong, can we. Can feel sorry for them that they're
> not
> being raptured, etc., but certainly can't respect them.
>
>
> Andy Amago
>
>
>
>
>>
>> Wishing for tolerance for all,
>> Marlena in Missouri
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