[lit-ideas] Re: Big Pharma's competition
- From: "Andy Amago" <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 23:18:02 -0400
> [Original Message]
> From: Brian <cabrian@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 5/9/2005 6:50:31 PM
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Big Pharma's competition
>
> I only wish Bush truly would take apart Social Security. All of it.
> It is a relic of Big Government
A.A. Big Government is bigger since Bush. Government shrank under
Clinton, as did the deficit. The deficit grew enormously, if not
astronomically, from surplus to extreme debt. What relic are you talking
about?
>and has no place in a free society.
A.A. What in your opinion is a free society? Free to do what?
> If we aren't going to get a Cabinet level department axed in this
> second term I'd at least like some conversations about why we're
> trying to "reform" a boondoggle like SS.
A.A. How would society be improved without Social Security?
These 20% ultra rich you
> speak of are already paying 80% of the taxes, do you favor something
> more confiscator?.
A.A. Wow, do you have your facts screwed up. The ultra rich pay no taxes or
next to no taxes at all, let alone 80%. The middle class shoulders the
entire tax burden of this country. Kindly supply sources for your 20/80
figures.
The rest of your post is elitist and inane.
>
A.A. Given how filled your post is with misinformation, you are clearly
from the factually challenged masses. Are you religious too?
> Mmm, what's that flavor? Bitterness.
>
A.A. What flavor is throwing people into the street?
Andy Amago
> ~Brian
>
> On May 8, 2005, at 6:55 PM, Andy Amago wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >> [Original Message]
> >> From: <Eternitytime1@xxxxxxx>
> >> To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Date: 5/7/2005 2:29:40 AM
> >> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Big Pharma's competition
> >>
> >>
> >> In a message dated 5/6/2005 11:23:28 PM Central Daylight Time,
> >> aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
> >> Wow, there's no end to their stupidity. Just a question, when
> >> you talk
> >>
> > to
> >
> >> these people, do they drool?
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >> No. And, they are not stupid, either. Most of them are very
> >> very smart.
> >>
> >> Very smart.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > A.A. Not smart enough to know that Bush is taking apart their Social
> > Security while handing out breaks to the ultra wealthy.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> But, like so many of us, they look at only one side of an issue.
> >> They
> >> generally (like many people on either side of an issue) are not
> >> able to
> >>
> > articulate
> >
> >> the issue well enough to be able to share its strengths and
> >>
> > weaknesses/pros
> >
> >> and cons of an outcome.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > A.A. There's not a whole lot to articulate with dismantling Social
> > Security, yet still they don't see Bush's involvement even in that
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> For example, someone who does not like Big Pharma, ought (in my
> >> opinion)
> >>
> > to
> >
> >> be able to very very well articulate the pros of Big Pharma as
> >> well as
> >>
> > its
> >
> >> cons. The people who have absolutely no problem with Big Pharma
> >> and who
> >>
> > can
> >
> >> see only its pros ought to be able to well articulate the cons, too.
> >>
> > But, most
> >
> >> people cannot do that. Many of them simply choose not to do so
> >> but many
> >>
> > of
> >
> >> them have no idea as to how to do that--and many of them think
> >> that if
> >>
> > they
> >
> >> even come close to doing that -- well, it will mean that, in some
> >> way,
> >>
> > they
> >
> >> are condoning the other side.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > A.A. Most people don't see anything at all, except maybe the
> > religious who
> > know God loves them, and that's all.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> Even wondering if a person drools smacks (to me) of dis-respect
> >> and makes
> >>
> > me
> >
> >> wonder if you been aware of the 'good' in these folks. There is
> >> much--especially if you value taking care of kids (one's one, but
> >>
> > also--many of them
> >
> >> are very involved in volunteer activities which help the elderly,
> >> help
> >>
> > the
> >
> >> disabled [esp kids going to camps], help with school/PTA
> >> activities [and
> >>
> > do not
> >
> >> sell that sort of activity short--it is in dire need--for much of
> >> what
> >>
> > happens
> >
> >> that is of the 'added value' happens because of a PTA which has
> >> active
> >> parents in it...] The fellow from the NYTImes editorial board
> >> (I think
> >>
> > that was
> >
> >> where he is from) who wrote one of the few books tracking the
> >> trends and
> >> beliefs of the 'regular person' as he traveled the area, is able to
> >>
> > articulate
> >
> >> pretty well that these are people who, in many respects, care very
> >> deeply
> >>
> > for
> >
> >> People...
> >>
> >
> >
> > A.A. The issue isn't good; even Hitler liked dogs, etc. The issue is
> > they're cemented in stone to their religious beliefs. They don't
> > realize
> > that taking evolution out of the schools will have us sleeping in
> > tents
> > along with the real Ayatollahs. They and their friend Bush are
> > turning
> > this country into a backwater. Instead of using meaningless words
> > like
> > good and bad, let's try shortsighted and religiously fanatical, to
> > where
> > even the environment doesn't count since they're all being raptured
> > one
> > day.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> I may not agree with their points of view--but I do in some arenas of
> >>
> > life.
> >
> >> Still, even for the beliefs of which I do not agree, it is very very
> >>
> > hard no
> >
> >> matter where I would be to not assimiliate those points of view.
> >>
> >
> >
> > A.A. It's clear that you're one of the religious right. Unless you
> > think
> > G-d doesn't like publicity, so that's why he can't have his full name
> > spelled out.
> >
> >
> >
> > Perhaps
> >
> >> that is one reason why I look at every angle for all aspects as
> >> much as
> >>
> > I can.
> >
> >> (my child is having a hard time right now--I think we have hit a
> >> new
> >>
> > phase
> >
> >> of development, though, in which he sees too many people who he
> >> respects
> >>
> > and
> >
> >> honors in certain arenas of life who hold very different
> >>
> > political/religious
> >
> >> views than what I do.
> >>
> >
> >
> > A.A. Letting kids make up their own minds is scary stuff.
> >
> >
> >
> > (fortunately, he does know the few that are scattered
> >
> >> in our world--but frankly, many of them do NOT live in this area and
> >>
> > those
> >
> >> that I know with my belief system who live elsewhere do the
> >> disparaging
> >>
> > of
> >
> >> those who hold different viewpoints even more caustically than
> >> those who
> >>
> > live
> >
> >> here and who make you wonder if they 'drool'. They do not have much
> >>
> > tolerance
> >
> >> for the moderately conservative--those are lumped into the same
> >> category
> >>
> > as
> >
> >> the rest of them. THEY do not disparage you. I cannot let my
> >> child
> >>
> > meet
> >
> >> those of that 'do they drool' persuasion because, for me, respect is
> >>
> > extremely
> >
> >> important and trumps political/religious viewpoints.)
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > A.A. I'm getting from this paragraph that people where you live are
> > pretty bigoted. That's a characteristic of the red states. Religious
> > people tend to be suspicious and unaccepting of outsiders.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I do understand the
> >
> >> frustration level--and have my own theories as to why there is such a
> >> disrespect for Others--so it helps me not get frustrated with
> >> what are
> >>
> > almost as mean
> >
> >> comments as some that side has been known to make...<sigh>
> >>
> >
> >
> > A.A. Disrespect for others and religion go hand in hand. *Every*
> > religion
> > is convinced they're right and everyone else is wrong. Can't respect
> > people who are wrong, can we. Can feel sorry for them that they're
> > not
> > being raptured, etc., but certainly can't respect them.
> >
> >
> > Andy Amago
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Wishing for tolerance for all,
> >> Marlena in Missouri
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