Shell didn't pay for those either. A garage owner told me that they had to buy the gifts from Shell to give to customers. So although Shell started the promotion it was the individual garages that had to pay out for the stuff - which is why some chose to opt out of the offer scheme. bones bones@xxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jhb-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of F FISHER Sent: 12 November 2009 19:52 To: jhb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [jhb] Re: Pilot Hours I would rather have had the glasses or model cars, still got some of those. Frank