# [geocentrism] Re: Geocentrism how I see it.

• From: "Dr. Neville Jones" <ntj005@xxxxxxxxxxx>
• To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
• Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 19:22:23 +0000 (GMT)

```Nick,

Yes, I'll agree with that. I have three reasons for claiming a "small" universe
(as you rightly say, it is still enormous by our everyday standards):

1. The rain during the Flood came from above the firmament (i.e., universe) and
took a finite time to hit the surface of the World. This enables me to estimate
the size (i.e., distance that it travelled).

2. A massive universe doesn't seem to have much point to it (I accept that you
may say this is subjective).

3. God resides in the third heaven and the thought that this is not too far
away greatly appeals to me.

In Christ,

Neville.

"Niemann, Nicholas K." <NNiemann@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
Neville,
Why does it matter whether the universe is "much much smaller". If God
can whip the stars around a nonmoving earth when they are X billion
miles away, he is equally powerful to be able to whip the stars around
the earth when they are XXXX billion miles away. You don't need to
prove fact A (smaller universe) to prove fact B (nonmoving earth). It's
an easy effort for an almighty God either way. If the geocentric
position doesn't really need the smaller universe, then why make it a
condition, as I "think" you may be doing. Tie a rock to the end of a 10
foot rope and whip it around you. Then tie it to a 10 mile rope. If
you have unlimited strength, you can move both around fast enough so an
entire revolution occurs in the same time. (I'm not a scientist, so I
don't know if you see something else that contradicts this). No matter
how small you get the universe, it will still be a large distance for
the stars to go in 24 hours. My point is God can do it despite the
length.
Regards,
Nick.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dr. Neville Jones [mailto:ntj005@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 6:21 PM
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Geocentrism how I see it.

Dan,

Forget the "science" for a moment. Let's reason from Scripture.

Joshua asked God that he might be allowed to command the Sun and Moon to
stand still. God granted this, and the Sun and Moon stood still for
almost a whole day.

If the World rotates, then there is no way to cater for this
instruction, because stopping the World would not stop BOTH the Sun and
the Moon (they go around at different rates). To make them APPEAR to
stop, God would actually have to have INCREASED their speeds. And His
command to them to stop would have thus been ignored.

My guess is that you are hesitant about the stars' rotation because of
the enormous size we are "taught" for the universe. But what if the
universe were much, much smaller??

Keep thinking on this.

Neville.

Dan wrote:
Neville,

From my own personal observations from the movements of the sun and moon
and stars I have come to the conclusion that yes the earth is at the
centre and it cannot be moved. That for me is a fact confirmed to me by
the word of God. However what I can not conclude on is do the stars move
around a fixed earth or does the earth rotate clockwise and the stars
are fixed and the sun moon and planets rotate at different speeds
according to their distance from the earth? I feel that the earth
rotates clockwise which gives us the elusion that the stars move around
the earth.I may be wrong.

Dan.

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