Neville, Two very interesting books. Here are the links to buy them: The book of Enoch: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/096757370X/qid=1108072827/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_3/002-8072840-1131203?v=glance&s=books the book of the secrets of Enoch: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1585090204/qid=1108072827/sr=1-9/ref=sr_1_9/002-8072840-1131203?v=glance&s=books This is an extract from the book of the secrets of Enoch that is most relevant to this group: Chapter 27 verse 1: 1And I commanded that there should be taken from light and darkness, and I said: Be thick, and it became thus, and I spread it out with the light, and it became water, and I spread it out over the darkness, below the light, and then I made firm the waters, that is to say the bottomless, and I made foundation of light around the water, and created seven circles from inside, and imaged the water like crystal wet and dry, that is to say like glass, and the circumcession of the waters and the other elements, and I showed each one of them its road, and the seven stars each one of them in its heaven, that they go thus, and I saw that it was good. chapter 30 verse 3: 2 On the fourth day I ordered that there should be great lights on the circles of the heavens. 3 In the first and highest circle I placed the star Kruno (Saturn), and on the second Aphrodite, (Jupiter) on the third Ares, (Mars) on the fourth the sun, on the fifth Zeus(Venus), on the sixth Hermes(Mercury), on the seventh lesser the moon, 4 and the lower air I adorned with the lesser stars. 5And I placed the sun to give light to the day, and the moon and the stars to give light to the night, the sun that he should go according to each sign of the Zodiac, and the course of the moon through the twelve signs of the Zodiac. and I appointed the succession of the months and their names and lives, their thunderings, and their hour-markings, how they should succeed. 7Then evening came and morning came the fifth day Notice the Sun on the fourth circle not in the centre. Could this be the only written evidence of a geocentric creation? In the book of Enoch the book of the heavenly luminaries is even more interesting. There is a lot of dogma and controversy about these books which I am sure you know of. Read them for yourself and then consider them I am sure you will be amazed in the light of scripture. They confirm a lot of things you say about a geocentric creation. Dan. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dr. Neville Jones To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 11:40 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Geocentrism how I see it. Dan, I have heard of the book of Enoch, but not the book of the secrets of Enoch. Neville. --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term'