Dear Nick, I think that Jack has hit the nail on the head here. It is the heliocentrists who have to make up preposterous stories to keep their belief system afloat. Besides this, your line of reasoning would not explain the simultaneous stopping of the Moon. (In the "language of appearance" line that you are defending, the Moon would have actually been seen to speed up, not stop.) Regards, Neville. Jack Lewis <jack.lewis@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Niemann, Nicholas K." To: Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 7:09 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Geocentrism how I see it. > I don't see how Gary's helio "facts" like tidal wave or centripetal force are relevant or determinative. It was a miraculous event. God could have extended the miraculous features also overcome those otherwise expected results. Dear Nick, As much as I know that God can work fantastic miracles, what you are saying is tantamount to making the heliocentric case 'unfalsifiable'. This is what evolutionists do to overcome difficulties. You are effectively saying that there is always an answer because it cannot be tested. When Scripture says God stopped the sun and the moon He did in fact stop them and not the earth. Jack --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun!