Dear Jack, > Dear Mike, > Do you know,I really did not expect anyone to reply, except perhaps Alan > Griffin on the subject of abiogenesis. It's interesting nobody else has > offered anything on this. You challenged Alan on abiogenesis in response to his arguments regarding the motion of the Earth. A bit off topic don't you think. If you want to discuss evolution start a new thread and see who's interested. > Your reply is exactly what I was talking about. What it amounted to was a > lot of arm waving and just plain wrong. You are the one doing all the arm waving. You keep throwing every doubt you have about accepted theories at us without any actual critique of the theories except that they don't agree with your faith. Any attempt to address specific points is met by you with yet more vagueness and arm waving. > Science is littered with personal > biases, it, by necessity has to be, unless the scientists are not human! You > proclaim that science is about constantly questioning and then you ridicule > Neville for attacking that which, in your eyes is beyond attack! This is > exactly what I'm about, starting from basics and questioning the > unquestionable and one thing at a time. Of course scientists are only human. I have never attacked Neville for questioning science, only for deciding what his conclusions are and then "deriving them scientifically", throwing out the most basic assumptions of geometry without any justification or alternative assumptions, and using theories previously rejected by himself in support of his other theories. He may "know" the answers because of his faith but his approach is not scientific. > If I understand my own posting correctly, I was simply stating how I propose > to conduct my own investigations in future and the reasons for it. So I'm > not going to be drawn into fruitless exchanges anymore. So why don't you > just sit back and wait for it, well at least from me anyway? If I have caused you any offense I am sincerely sorry. Being a devout atheist (yes I know that theorectically it is just an article of faith too) I find it difficult to have discussions with creationists without it descending into ever more pointless and heated exchanges. I came to this forum because its purpose seemed to be to discuss scientific evidence for geocentricity. I'll try to stick to science if you do. Regards, Mike.