"If the earth were not rotating on its axis but orbited the sun what would the star trails look like?" That is but one of many logical contradictions ...If no rotation exist around the ecliptic then there could be no star trails annually at all period. You would simply see the same sky. they claim there are annual star trails that mimic the nightly indiscernibly..????? .......If they could see the rotation around the ecliptic that is does exist then ..... ..well we would not be having this discussion..:-).. ....We would still get nightly star trails in the annual but we would also have to have the orbital motion as well, IN the same way that a orbital sander has the circular motion it it but that fact does not mean the two ( circular and orbital) are equivalent.....You can't have rotation and not rotation on the same axis at the same time for both the cause and the prevention for seeing what we see...LOL Jack Lewis <jack.lewis@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: Dear Regner and Neville, It would appear that the sticking point is what kind of movement does the earth perform whilst orbiting the sun, rotational or translational? I still don't understand what a translational orbit is! If the earth were not rotating on its axis but orbited the sun what would the star trails look like? Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: "Regner Trampedach" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 11:59 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: 2 Axes of rotation - drawing brand new for you > Exactly - you got it. > The star-trails of the annual translational motion is the parallax > ellipses. > Far too small to see by just having a look at the sky. There is no > rotation > involved in the annual orbit around the Sun - only translation. > > Regards, > > Regner