# [geocentrism] Re: 2 Axes of rotation - drawing brand new for you

• From: j a <ja_777_aj@xxxxxxxxx>
• To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
• Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 07:32:05 -0800 (PST)
```May I point out that if the basline is zero - then both drawings are exactly
the same.

Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

The point of the non HC drawing is simply that although that is not how the
HC folk would describe the mechanics of HC, that is the only mechanics that
would allow and are capable of replicating the nightly motion in the annual
orbital motion with no other motions perceivable and no distinction between the
two! Therefore, although no one would draw the solar system that way (bottom
drawing) that is the only way that you can archive hiding the annual motion
behind the nightly and making them indistinguishable from each other. The point
of the top drawing is that it cannot and will not replicated the nightly
without demonstrating a secondary annual motion. As I said the two drawings are
not equivalent. The reason the top drawing is not capable of hiding the annual
motion in the nightly (as the bottom can and would) is that rotation is s
function of x& y vectors around the z axis. If the two vectors and z axis do
not say constant then they cannot produce the same thing as
the nighty rotation where all three variables do stay constant. You see the
slight of hand that HC uses is the failure to point out that not only is the
orbital motion of the celestial axis transnational but they imply that the
annual orbit itself rides the 23 degree plane    (That is why there examples
try to emphasize and get you to look at and only focus on the change in
latitude of the camera around the earth annually and how that "rides" the 23.44
degree celestial plane) The top drawing depicts a camera that rotates in one
direction while looking at another. The problem is it is backwards from what it
would have to be it were to hid the annual motion. It rotates in a different
direction then the nightly while looking at the nightly. While the bottom
drawing is a camera the is looking at the nightly rotation while in a orbit
that also mimics the nightly rotation. The two drawings are not equivalent and
only the bottom one is and would hide and make the annual and
nightly indistinguishable from each other.

I attach it here again for any late comers.......

Jack Lewis <jack.lewis@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Dear Allen,
Just a point of clarification. In the 'non HC' drawing the camera is in one
position whilst the earth rotates below it. Is this deliberate or should the
camera positions be the same as the 'HC' drawing? This would mean that the ONLY
difference between the two drawings is the angle of the ecliptic with respect
to the stars.

Jack
----- Original Message -----
From: Allen Daves
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 2:44 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: 2 Axes of rotation - drawing brand new for you

One last thing, for the evening.....They say a picture speaks a thousand
words......  Hopefully you will all be able to see this....brand new attached
diagram. it illustrates the fundamental error in your argument...........

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