[GeoStL] Re: You catch more flies with honey, than vinegar

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You know, it just occurred to me that I should start baking, but I just made
plans for the evening.  Don't know if I'll be organized enough in the
morning to bake then (somehow these Friday night outings always seem to last
till the wee hours of Sat morning)

How about if I don't get cookies made for tomorrow, I'll bring some on
Monday's group hunt?  I know our officers have certainly earned their pay
this week!

Susan

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Nancy said: " It's my understanding that the officers get their pay in
cookies. They'd better be really really big ones."

Sounds to me like I've been getting short paid:( I think Susan might need to
start baking:)

For those of you that have never had the pleasure of being at an event when
Susan brought some of her home made cookies they are VERY GOOD:) Maybe I
shouldn't say that because everyone knows how good they are and that means
more competition when it comes time to enjoy them.

Tim

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> (But not to me, with the others in the group who are
> anxious to have an intelligent discussion.)
>
> Paul Konopacki
Hey now ...

++++

Tried to read through the "Breaking News" update and got a bit lost when
Bush started spying on  the Quakers.

It's a shame, because, if presented to the group in a calm, logical way, I
probably would have been on Jim's "side."

As it stands, the message is lost in the presentation/attack.

This website is the first most of us have even been made aware of a concern.
My guess is that if presented to the group/list  in a calm,
nonconfrontational way  (without naming names  as has been done in  the
past), that another round of selfcensoring would have taken place.

SLAGA is still, relatively speaking,  a group in its infancy. We (my family)
and I were not there "in  the beginning". But I'll go out on a  limb and say
I doubt  that those who were there in the beginning imagined that
geocaching and SLAGA would grow as it has and would result in what  it is
becoming.

It is also because those people were willing to go waaaaaaaaay  out on an
even larger limb that anyone in  this group has the opportunity to create
websites, or send email to a list against the group. Without those people
there would be no  group. There would be no  events in which to hear
derogatory things;  no mail lists in which to discuss the merits of
membership dues -- no website to track our stats (even if we try  to say
it's NOT about the numbers).

As SLAGA continues to grow there will be problems.  One month (and  I'm
ignoring things that happened  TWO and HALF  years ago that everyone admits
were settled) is  NOT enough time for a group of busy people to offer
acceptable options.  Especially during this time of year when most have
families, end of year commitments, illness  etc.

As an individual, Paul made a  legitimate offer  for you to have your voice
heard. No it wasn't exactly what you wanted but it would have been  a start.
Perhaps it would have paved the way for other feedback opportunities.
Perhaps others would have heard your concern and also privately contacted
the officers with similar concerns.

Now, I will violate my own rule and make this personal.

Jim, IMHO, you missed a great opportunity. Do you really not recognize  that
you are a geocaching "presence" that many wonder about?  Your caches and
placements are excellent; logs are interesting and when it comes to local
natural resources your knowledge appears to be unlimited. Your caches have
taken us places we would never have thought  to go. When we were able  to
make it to the Christmas party YOU were the first person my 8 year old
daughter wanted to  get a look at (Molly was the first but she has too many
legs).   I had to  convince her though  that  based on my impression, you
might not take it as a compliment if a laughing 8 year old girl walked up to
you and said, "Dude..  we HATE you .. but I mean  that only in  the most
loving way possible." Her best times, not only in gecocaching but in her
little outdoor  life, have been getting lost in the woods with her daddy
looking for YOUR  caches. Just mention the name Myotis in  our house and
there are at first groans a
 nd lots of "oh nos" followed  by  "When do we go???".  You have been making
a statement. A positive one whether you are aware  of it or not.

(end what appears to be a  mini lovefest here)

You have obviously worked hard to  protect the natural resources that you
love. Why not do the same for the SLAGA organization? The clue is that the
tactics that work for the US Government do not translate well into the
interpersonal level. Just because it is individuals involved does not mean
that things move faster. But it does mean that the individuals tend to take
things personally and react on a personal  level.

Now, do some of the founding members have different backgrounds, values and
senses of humor than the nonfounding members?  Uh..  I  CAN say ..    YES to
that. LOL.    This is NOT  the local  boyscouts, girlscouts, philanthropy or
entrepreneur group.  Not the Army, the Knights of Columbus  or the local
coven.  There are no pledges to be signed and memorized. No secret
handshakes. (That *I* am aware of .. hmmmm  ... ) No higher,  altruistic
goals except for CITO. Just people looking for a reason to head  into the
woods with latest technology. And they happened to be able to use the
Internet to find SLAGA. And now this..

As it is, the issue is no longer a concern about individual behavior in a
group,  geo setting, but has become about one person and his past
activities/current presentation and one or  two "official" SLAGA members
reaction.

And then somehow  the Quakers got involved and I'm not even sure they use a
GPS.

Also goes to show what must go on behind the scenes that we know nothing
about.

It's my understanding that the officers get their pay in cookies. They'd
better be really really big ones.

Nancy



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