- You know, it just occurred to me that I should start baking, but I just made plans for the evening. Don't know if I'll be organized enough in the morning to bake then (somehow these Friday night outings always seem to last till the wee hours of Sat morning) How about if I don't get cookies made for tomorrow, I'll bring some on Monday's group hunt? I know our officers have certainly earned their pay this week! Susan -----Original Message----- From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Tim & Pam Ueltzen Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 3:51 PM To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [GeoStL] Re: You catch more flies with honey, than vinegar - Nancy said: " It's my understanding that the officers get their pay in cookies. They'd better be really really big ones." Sounds to me like I've been getting short paid:( I think Susan might need to start baking:) For those of you that have never had the pleasure of being at an event when Susan brought some of her home made cookies they are VERY GOOD:) Maybe I shouldn't say that because everyone knows how good they are and that means more competition when it comes time to enjoy them. Tim -----Original Message----- From: geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:geocaching-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of tklnhl & kyd Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 3:12 PM To: geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [GeoStL] Re: You catch more flies with honey, than vinegar - _______________________________________- > (But not to me, with the others in the group who are > anxious to have an intelligent discussion.) > > Paul Konopacki Hey now ... ++++ Tried to read through the "Breaking News" update and got a bit lost when Bush started spying on the Quakers. It's a shame, because, if presented to the group in a calm, logical way, I probably would have been on Jim's "side." As it stands, the message is lost in the presentation/attack. This website is the first most of us have even been made aware of a concern. My guess is that if presented to the group/list in a calm, nonconfrontational way (without naming names as has been done in the past), that another round of selfcensoring would have taken place. SLAGA is still, relatively speaking, a group in its infancy. We (my family) and I were not there "in the beginning". But I'll go out on a limb and say I doubt that those who were there in the beginning imagined that geocaching and SLAGA would grow as it has and would result in what it is becoming. It is also because those people were willing to go waaaaaaaaay out on an even larger limb that anyone in this group has the opportunity to create websites, or send email to a list against the group. Without those people there would be no group. There would be no events in which to hear derogatory things; no mail lists in which to discuss the merits of membership dues -- no website to track our stats (even if we try to say it's NOT about the numbers). As SLAGA continues to grow there will be problems. One month (and I'm ignoring things that happened TWO and HALF years ago that everyone admits were settled) is NOT enough time for a group of busy people to offer acceptable options. Especially during this time of year when most have families, end of year commitments, illness etc. As an individual, Paul made a legitimate offer for you to have your voice heard. No it wasn't exactly what you wanted but it would have been a start. Perhaps it would have paved the way for other feedback opportunities. Perhaps others would have heard your concern and also privately contacted the officers with similar concerns. Now, I will violate my own rule and make this personal. Jim, IMHO, you missed a great opportunity. Do you really not recognize that you are a geocaching "presence" that many wonder about? Your caches and placements are excellent; logs are interesting and when it comes to local natural resources your knowledge appears to be unlimited. Your caches have taken us places we would never have thought to go. When we were able to make it to the Christmas party YOU were the first person my 8 year old daughter wanted to get a look at (Molly was the first but she has too many legs). I had to convince her though that based on my impression, you might not take it as a compliment if a laughing 8 year old girl walked up to you and said, "Dude.. we HATE you .. but I mean that only in the most loving way possible." Her best times, not only in gecocaching but in her little outdoor life, have been getting lost in the woods with her daddy looking for YOUR caches. Just mention the name Myotis in our house and there are at first groans a nd lots of "oh nos" followed by "When do we go???". You have been making a statement. A positive one whether you are aware of it or not. (end what appears to be a mini lovefest here) You have obviously worked hard to protect the natural resources that you love. Why not do the same for the SLAGA organization? The clue is that the tactics that work for the US Government do not translate well into the interpersonal level. Just because it is individuals involved does not mean that things move faster. But it does mean that the individuals tend to take things personally and react on a personal level. Now, do some of the founding members have different backgrounds, values and senses of humor than the nonfounding members? Uh.. I CAN say .. YES to that. LOL. This is NOT the local boyscouts, girlscouts, philanthropy or entrepreneur group. Not the Army, the Knights of Columbus or the local coven. There are no pledges to be signed and memorized. No secret handshakes. (That *I* am aware of .. hmmmm ... ) No higher, altruistic goals except for CITO. Just people looking for a reason to head into the woods with latest technology. And they happened to be able to use the Internet to find SLAGA. And now this.. As it is, the issue is no longer a concern about individual behavior in a group, geo setting, but has become about one person and his past activities/current presentation and one or two "official" SLAGA members reaction. And then somehow the Quakers got involved and I'm not even sure they use a GPS. Also goes to show what must go on behind the scenes that we know nothing about. It's my understanding that the officers get their pay in cookies. They'd better be really really big ones. Nancy **************************************** Our WebPage! Http://WWW.GeoStL.com For List Info or To make _ANY_ changes, including unsubscribing from this list, click -----> //www.freelists.org/list/geocaching Missouri Caches Scheduled to be Archived http://tinyurl.com/87cqw **************************************** Our WebPage! 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