[GeoStL] Re: You catch more flies with honey, than vinegar

  • From: "Mike Griffin" <griff@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:50:28 -0600

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Really don't blame you but that is exactly what he wants. We had a very nice 
lunch today. I guess there was about 25 people there.. The fact that we all 
had a good lunch and enjoyed each others company, proves that we all get 
along just fine. Jim started the website and dragged everyone into it. 
Sooner or later it was going to make it here on the list. I was never 
approached by Jim on these recent issues and I think that is what made me so 
mad. I wish he would have come to me as a friend. He took the opportunity to 
take a situation that happened 2 years ago and act as if I did nothing to 
correct it. He never came to me and asked for my help. I always considered 
Jim a friend. We cached together, I shared my campsite with him many times. 
I cooked him my favorite Mushroom melts.. I thought we had a friendship that 
was valued more than cheap trash talk because he didn't get his way.

I blew up.. For that I apologize.. MOGA is a non political event. We will 
not discuss such things at the event. I, for one, am really hurt that Jim 
included me in this mess when all I have ever done was share my friendship..

Mike

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "DRM" <drmdcm@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <geocaching@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 3:55 PM
Subject: [GeoStL] Re: You catch more flies with honey, than vinegar


> -
> I just want to say that I have never been to a SLAGA
> or MOGO event before and was looking forward to the
> event this March. I have paid my fee and sent in my
> waver. I have been collecting JEEP TRAVEL BUGS to
> bring for however the group distributes the travel
> bugs at these events. However, after reading the
> forums today I will not feel comfortable or feel safe
> bring my son who is eight to this event. I don't know
> many of the members or their backgrounds to know who
> may go "Postal".
> I have never met the two cachers who where offended or
> know what the "offensive" joke was that was said so as
> a member of SLAGA how am I liable and now labled
> "Racist"?
>
> --- tklnhl & kyd <sydstyr@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> -
>> _______________________________________-
>> > (But not to me, with the others in the group who
>> are
>> > anxious to have an intelligent discussion.)
>> >
>> > Paul Konopacki
>> Hey now ...
>>
>> ++++
>>
>> Tried to read through the "Breaking News" update and
>> got a bit lost when Bush started spying on  the
>> Quakers.
>>
>> It's a shame, because, if presented to the group in
>> a calm, logical way, I probably would have been on
>> Jim's "side."
>>
>> As it stands, the message is lost in the
>> presentation/attack.
>>
>> This website is the first most of us have even been
>> made aware of a concern. My guess is that if
>> presented to the group/list  in a calm,
>> nonconfrontational way  (without naming names  as
>> has been done in  the past), that another round of
>> selfcensoring would have taken place.
>>
>> SLAGA is still, relatively speaking,  a group in its
>> infancy. We (my family) and I were not there "in
>> the beginning". But I'll go out on a  limb and say I
>> doubt  that those who were there in the beginning
>> imagined that  geocaching and SLAGA would grow as it
>> has and would result in what  it is becoming.
>>
>> It is also because those people were willing to go
>> waaaaaaaaay  out on an even larger limb that anyone
>> in  this group has the opportunity to create
>> websites, or send email to a list against the group.
>> Without those people there would be no  group. There
>> would be no  events in which to hear derogatory
>> things;  no mail lists in which to discuss the
>> merits of membership dues -- no website to track our
>> stats (even if we try  to say it's NOT about the
>> numbers).
>>
>> As SLAGA continues to grow there will be problems.
>> One month (and  I'm ignoring things that happened
>> TWO and HALF  years ago that everyone admits were
>> settled) is  NOT enough time for a group of busy
>> people to offer acceptable options.  Especially
>> during this time of year when most have families,
>> end of year commitments, illness  etc.
>>
>> As an individual, Paul made a  legitimate offer  for
>> you to have your voice heard. No it wasn't exactly
>> what you wanted but it would have been  a start.
>> Perhaps it would have paved the way for other
>> feedback opportunities. Perhaps others would have
>> heard your concern and also privately contacted  the
>> officers with similar concerns.
>>
>> Now, I will violate my own rule and make this
>> personal.
>>
>> Jim, IMHO, you missed a great opportunity. Do you
>> really not recognize  that you are a geocaching
>> "presence" that many wonder about?  Your caches and
>> placements are excellent; logs are interesting and
>> when it comes to local natural resources your
>> knowledge appears to be unlimited. Your caches have
>> taken us places we would never have thought  to go.
>> When we were able  to make it to the Christmas party
>> YOU were the first person my 8 year old daughter
>> wanted to  get a look at (Molly was the first but
>> she has too many legs).   I had to  convince her
>> though  that  based on my impression, you might not
>> take it as a compliment if a laughing 8 year old
>> girl walked up to you and said, "Dude..  we HATE you
>> .. but I mean  that only in  the most loving way
>> possible." Her best times, not only in gecocaching
>> but in her little outdoor  life, have been getting
>> lost in the woods with her daddy looking for YOUR
>> caches. Just mention the name Myotis in  our house
>> and there are at first groans a
>>  nd lots of "oh nos" followed  by  "When do we
>> go???".  You have been making a statement. A
>> positive one whether you are aware  of it or not.
>>
>> (end what appears to be a  mini lovefest here)
>>
>> You have obviously worked hard to  protect the
>> natural resources that you love. Why not do the same
>> for the SLAGA organization? The clue is that the
>> tactics that work for the US Government do not
>> translate well into the interpersonal level. Just
>> because it is individuals involved does not mean
>> that things move faster. But it does mean that the
>> individuals tend to take things personally and react
>> on a personal  level.
>>
>> Now, do some of the founding members have different
>> backgrounds, values and senses of humor than the
>> nonfounding members?  Uh..  I  CAN say ..    YES to
>> that. LOL.    This is NOT  the local  boyscouts,
>> girlscouts, philanthropy or entrepreneur group.  Not
>> the Army, the Knights of Columbus  or the local
>> coven.  There are no pledges to be signed and
>> memorized. No secret handshakes. (That *I* am aware
>> of .. hmmmm  ... ) No higher,  altruistic goals
>> except for CITO. Just people looking for a reason to
>> head  into the  woods with latest technology. And
>> they happened to be able to use the Internet to find
>> SLAGA. And now this..
>>
>> As it is, the issue is no longer a concern about
>> individual behavior in a group,  geo setting, but
>> has become about one person and his past
>> activities/current presentation and one or  two
>> "official" SLAGA members reaction.
>>
>> And then somehow  the Quakers got involved and I'm
>> not even sure they use a GPS.
>>
>> Also goes to show what must go on behind the scenes
>> that we know nothing  about.
>>
>> It's my understanding that the officers get their
>> pay in cookies. They'd better be really really big
>> ones.
>>
>> Nancy
>>
>>
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